where to buy HERTZ amps?

[grimreper912003 5,000+ posts]

so your saying its ok for a person to be rude to someone else? and not be treated the same?

Show me where my post says that. Im not being rude to them, but I am part of the car audio consumer group he was bad mouthing. Hes being rude to a group of people based on a couple people. I wanted for a long time to try Hertz comps, I know their expensive and I respect the product you get for the money so why is it fair to say we all complain about the price?

 

[speedfreak28 10+ year member]

the people in this thread complaining about the profit margin have never and will never run a succesful business until they change their attitude. Making blanket statements about brick and mortar shops who mark up but offer a warranty, guaruntee work and exchange hassle free is idiotic at best. In theory the idea of selling 10 sets at 200 profit sounds good, but find 10 people a week to dropp 800 dollars on components.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

i didn't say your post but calling B&M stores rip offs and saying they dont' care about nothing but money. to me that's being rude. if you've never dealt with a place and say they are crap just because you think the price is to high then how can u say that they are f***s or that they are ripping off everyone? and repeatly Brian said not all of the diyers so if your not in that catagory then don't take offense.

 

[It Hertz 10+ year member]

AS FOR RESPECTING YOU AS CUSTOMERS:

This whole thread is exactly why DIY'ers do not get "respect", not always and not everyone of you are the same, but when all you do is complain about how much we charge or how we do not want to sit and talk for 4 hours in our shops about product (that person most likely will never buy.) I love to talk car audio, and I am happy to help anyone who shows me and my company the same RESPECT they expect.

Show me where my post says that. Im not being rude to them, but I am part of the car audio consumer group he was bad mouthing. Hes being rude to a group of people based on a couple people. I wanted for a long time to try Hertz comps, I know their expensive and I respect the product you get for the money so why is it fair to say we all complain about the price?

If you read the whole thing I wrote you will see that I specifally said not all of you.

the people in this thread complaining about the profit margin have never and will never run a succesful business until they change their attitude. Making blanket statements about brick and mortar shops who mark up but offer a warranty, guaruntee work and exchange hassle free is idiotic at best. In theory the idea of selling 10 sets at 200 profit sounds good, but find 10 people a week to dropp 800 dollars on components.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Ok, we do not and never have tried to sell 10 people a set of 800 speakers each week. these are speakers that are for a specfic customer... the average speakers sold weekely are not where near 800.00 a set. so to base this whole arguement on that premise is just not realistic.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

The fundamental difference between oil and the variety of other products you mention is transparency of pricing and number of competitors.

Many Ms try to limit geographical areas to limit competition between retailers. Ie, if I sell it, the shop next door can't.

Secondly, my time is more valuable than yours. Even though Kicker is of lower quality; within 20 minutes I can find out everything I want to know, as well as compare pricing from multiple vendors. Transhipping allows me to eliminate the phone tag between retailer and customer, eliminate the hassle of trying to buy some time from a B&M shop.

Thirdly, a DIYer has no need for none of your installation skills. You are charging those not responsible for overhead, overhead costs.

If I walk into your store to order a specific product, the only service you are providing me is retreiving the specific product. What, specifically, such shops providing to the DIY community?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

You can charge whatever the hell you want to and if people pay it; that's fine. Just don't expect me to like it. I am against portions of the industry for more fundamental reasons than price, mainly the anti-competitive nature of the industry with MAP and whatnot.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

the people in this thread complaining about the profit margin have never and will never run a succesful business until they change their attitude. Making blanket statements about brick and mortar shops who mark up but offer a warranty, guaruntee work and exchange hassle free is idiotic at best. In theory the idea of selling 10 sets at 200 profit sounds good, but find 10 people a week to dropp 800 dollars on components.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I think it is that right there why most business students cannot successfully operate a business. Well, it's mainly because they half-assed payed attention in class and think that price, supply, and demand are more related than they actually are. It's not a failure of the theory, as the theory teaches you how to build accurate models. It's a failure by students trying to implement half-assed ideas.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

i mean come how much do you think walmart paid for that pair of pants or that bag of potatoes? you get what you paid for. that's the plain and simple truth.

Wal-Mart's profit margin on grocery goods is quite thin. The pants may be a little better, but the potatoes...not much at all.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

there's alot of DIYers out there who know how to put it in but don't know how to set it up. there's plenty of posts in this forum where ppl ask questions that they get flamed on just for asking. a stereo shop that sells a specific item will know everything about that item. they'll know how big of an enclosure, how much power you can safely feed it, and how it'll fit in the vehicle. every business has an overhead, we all need to pay our bills wether its from selling a product or from installing a product. where do you think the ppl get the info from? for example i'm always out here providing information on ID products. that's one of the companies that has it's limits to sales. the only way to get it is from woofersetc.com or a B&M store with a warrenty that is.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Much" this is blatant ignorance.
We are not charging unfair pricing, as installers we are required to be skilled in multiple fields above and beyond simple auto repair.... yet a mechanics is charging on average $95-125 p/labor hr to plug in a machine and have it tell him what to fix on your car... he fixes it you pay and go on... we not only have to beable to diagnose and repair we must be able to find new ways to make thing work in your vehicle, integrate it in so that it is flawless for your operation, make it look like it came that way fromt he factory (or make it uber flashy and spectacular, all the while doing it in a way that someone else hasn't done before.) this now a days requires us to be mechanics, paint body,upholsters, wood workers and welders above and beyond eletricians. now on top of that, we work on all makes and models of vehicle, not just one make or model. we also have to beable to do it faster now then in past years, due to the average persons impatience. (this again does not apply to every customer)

Yes, the machine required to reveal that information was free? C'mon...you (obviously) own/manage a shop of some sort and are aware of overhead just like anyone else. The are passing on the cost of the machine to the customer in the form of labor rates.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

there's alot of DIYers out there who know how to put it in but don't know how to set it up. there's plenty of posts in this forum where ppl ask questions that they get flamed on just for asking. a stereo shop that sells a specific item will know everything about that item. they'll know how big of an enclosure, how much power you can safely feed it, and how it'll fit in the vehicle. every business has an overhead, we all need to pay our bills wether its from selling a product or from installing a product. where do you think the ppl get the info from? for example i'm always out here providing information on ID products. that's one of the companies that has it's limits to sales. the only way to get it is from woofersetc.com or a B&M store with a warrenty that is.

All the information you asked for is readily available from most manufacturer's websites. If not you can also call or write a letter requesting additional information.

The forum is not meant to be a mechanism to parrot information from the manufacturer.

What if the customer places little or no value on a warranty? Or service?

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

then hit up ebay like crazy. but if something goes wrong with the product don't blame the company because the buyer didn't care about warrenty or service.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

then hit up ebay like crazy. but if something goes wrong with the product don't blame the company because the buyer didn't care about warrenty or service.

It's warranty, not warrenty. Not being a jackass...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I am curious if that's a real problem. And I can see the B&Ms frustration if RedNeck Willie buys say a pair of L7s off eBay, there's something mechanically wrong with them, and then tries to go through the local B&M for warranty service. Another thing I think is rather shitty is customers interfacing with products at a B&M, then trying to go online and get it cheaper. In a way, it's a form of theft. If you buy online and enjoy the discounts of online, it's only fair you take the lumps for it as well.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

it's the net spelling don't count. lol see now there is something i can agree with you on and yes it does happen ppl buy stuff from ebay and think that the b&m can take it in the end. there are lots of ppl who won't take the lumps they want their cake and want to eat it too. i was a firm believer of ebay still am. it's where i always look for my power tools lol. but at the same time i don't expect the company to stand by it if they state somewhere that internet sales are forbidden. i usually check with the company first.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I wasn't aware of that being a huge problem. Unfortunately, it does not come as a huge surprise.

But do you think the customer who comes to order a specific product, do you think they should be as responsible for the indirect costs as much as a customer that actually needs those additional services.

For example, (and this where I have a problem with the industry) you had two companies next door to each other that sold Hertz. Shop A had a full install bay, product on the shelf, high paid sales staff, etc and then you had Shop B, whose service is little more than a human version of Google checkout. It is obvious that Shop B has much lower overhead than Shop A and could afford to charge a lower price. However, the manufacturer places rules against Shop Bs....making them operate at a greater distance away, maintain certain standards, show proficiency by certifications, etc.

The issue isn't with B&Ms, it is with an industry that accepts anti-competitive practices on the basis that it somehow protects the brand.