Where can i get some door insulation?

[Puppet Master 10+ year member]

I heard about that insulation that you put in your doors so that they don't shake when you have your sound way up. Does anyone know where I can score me some of this stuff?

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[lastcall 10+ year member]

any audio store pretty much..bestbuy, circuit city, frys

 

[Shelbrain 10+ year member]

Do a search for "sound deadening"...

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

http://www.raamaudio.com

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

http://www.secondskinaudio.com

there is also edead at http://www.edesignaudio.com. people always tell me second skin is better but i don't know why. could be because of everybody's dislike for the company and owner. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

http://www.secondskinaudio.com
there is also edead at http://www.edesignaudio.com. people always tell me second skin is better but i don't know why. could be because of everybody's dislike for the company and owner. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

or...

http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com

ANT

 

[Ali G 10+ year member]

... yup, if you wanna bake your car in the oven, don't get eDead. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Did you even bother reading to the last page? I think that was where he said the only deadener that compared to RAAMmat for value was... omg, eDead!!!

 

[Nova_ 10+ year member]

Lowes has window seal or "Peal N Seal"

I put 2 layers on my trunk lid and roof... no more rattles... My trunk lid used to flex about an inch... Not much flex anymore, and it got a little louder!...

 

[Nova_ 10+ year member]

Lowes has window seal or "Peal N Seal"

I put 2 layers on my trunk lid and roof... no more rattles... My trunk lid used to flex about an inch... Not much flex anymore, and it got a little louder!...

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

... yup, if you wanna bake your car in the oven, don't get eDead. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Did you even bother reading to the last page? I think that was where he said the only deadener that compared to RAAMmat for value was... omg, eDead!!!

Hmm

I read the entire thing and not once did he say:

the only deadener that compared to RAAMmat for value was eDead!!!

he did compare the prices of edead to rammat and made a point that if you are going to consider edead, that you should take rammat in to consideration considering that Rammat was oly a few points more.. he then broke the price difference down to show an advantage to Rammat BXT

This is actually what he said:

RAAMaudio's RAAMmat BXT is a high quality product priced to compete with asphalt mats. If you are considering an asphalt sound deadener based on price, please reconsider.

Remember, you are not just buying square feet, you are buying mass. Most of the asphalt mats are thinner and the lighter than the butyl products. This means you will need more layers to accomplish the same result. The only close comparison is eDead v1SE vs. RAAMmat. They are close in weight and thickness, despite the fact that Elemental Designs significantly overstates the density of their products.

Close in thickness and weight. Not in quality or performance..

He also went on to say:

"If you really need to do this in the absolutely least expensive way and are not convinced or concerned by the demonstrated inferiority of asphalt based sound deadeners, go to Home Depot or Lowes and get a roll or two of Peel & Seal. This is the least expensive option and you won't have to worry about shipping costs. I can see no difference in Peel & Seal and the asphalt based aluminum skinned products in this review. If you are going to live dangerously, do it right. "

If anything at all stand out, it should be that Rammat is a far supirior product to edead.. and in terms of price is only a few dollars more..

I may be wrong but thats how I read in to it

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[Ali G 10+ year member]

I wouldn't even consider RAAMmat "far superior" either... deadener is usually going on doors and trunks... it doesn't get 160 degreees inside a car or trunk. IMO, you don't need your deadener to hold up against 400 degree heat...

and if you look at the Adhesion tests... v1SE without a doubt DESTROYS every other deadener. But I guess people don't want to see that... an eD product might look good.

Basically, v1SE performs below average in one test and far, FAR superior in the other.

But this doesn't even matter now that v1SE^2 is out... which according to Ben, "Becomes more like Dynamat Extreme in every way..." Which I'm assuming means you can cook it all day in the oven so it will do good in some deadener showdown and people will stop giving him greif for another "crap product." And oh yeah, it's even cheaper.

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

I wouldn't even consider RAAMmat "far superior" either... deadener is usually going on doors and trunks... it doesn't get 160 degreees inside a car or trunk. IMO, you don't need your deadener to hold up against 400 degree heat....

he point of having a high heat tolearnce is 2 fold

1. so it doens melt off like asphalt mats have a clear history of doing. cars easily get over 160 degrees inthe summer time. do a few searches and you will see how often they fail.

2. the higher the heat tolerance the more solid the elastomer will remain during high temps. SO... at 200 dgrees a mat with a heat rating of 500 degrees will remain solid and will dampen more vibration and sound than an equally thick and dence mat with a heat rating of 300 degrees.

and if you look at the Adhesion tests... v1SE without a doubt DESTROYS every other deadener. But I guess people don't want to see that... an eD product might look good.

That would be like saying. "yeah, but look at audiobahn subs, they havfe way more chrome than everything else out there, gues you dont tant to see the facts for what they are??!?!"

um....

adhesion strength (bond strength) has NOTHING to do with how well a product performs. a product with a bond strength of 2 lbs will dampen just as well as a product with a bond strength og 500 lbs provided the density and weight and elastomeric consistantcy are all equal. Asphalt mats have awesome adhesion strength. unfortunaately this is a bunk test becase it shows nothing..

the real adhesion test comes with the different temp ratings, in which case, edead could not even stand the weight of a dime at higher ratings... how long do you think that little weight and paperclip would have lasted at 160 degrees?

Basically, v1SE performs below average in one test and far, FAR superior in the other..

far supirior in the chrome factror test and nothing esle...

But this doesn't even matter now that v1SE^2 is out... which according to Ben, "Becomes more like Dynamat Extreme in every way..." Which I'm assuming means you can cook it all day in the oven so it will do good in some deadener showdown and people will stop giving him greif for another "crap product." And oh yeah, it's even cheaper.

According to ben the first version is butyl and has a heat rating of 400 degrees..

"Acording to Ben" doen not hold a lot of weight inthe sound deadening industry..

The product they have release IS a good one, and is closer to dynamat Extreme, but closer is not the same as equal or better than..

SDS already proved that Rammat is the clear choise for value and quality.

Do a search and see howmany people have thier asphalt mats melt every year... or better yet, keep an eye out htis summer for a wave of threads entitled "my damper melted" .

This is not debatable... asphalt mats have a histor of failure

ANT

 

[Ali G 10+ year member]

Yeah, I saw a solid... TWO threads this past summer about it.

Basically, you're saying adhesion isn't important... so you're basing you're judgements off a test that you find 50% pointless. I think adhesion is more important than heat tolerance.

Tell ya what, if my v1SE^2 melts off during the brutal Florida heat this summer, I'll buy some Second Skin just for you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

Yeah, I saw a solid... TWO threads this past summer about it.

look around on some forums that get a bit more traffic than this one.. The threads are out there. Even on ICIXSOUND.com (until the remove them at least)

Basically, you're saying adhesion isn't important... so you're basing you're judgements off a test that you find 50% pointless. I think adhesion is more important than heat tolerance.

not basing my judgemtnes onthat test. THe test is actually 99% pointless. as long as the product can stay attached to the panel under the weigh of itself and perhaps a few additional layers, as well as going over speed bumps and such it will be fin. you can acc opmlish this with a bond strength of 2 lbs.. and less.

I am glad that you think that adhesion is more imnportant. If this is the case, the woulndt adhesions be equaly important over a broad range of temperatures?

Hard to seperate the 2...

I encourage you to look around and ask some peopl in the industy how this all works, you will see that temperature rating plays the bigger of the 2 roles when compared to bond strength.

(ever heard somone on the forum say that chrom is more imortant than Thiel small peramiters of a speaker? That is basicly what you are saying about sound deadening..)

Please keep in mind that I am not another ignorant kid on the forums. I am in the industry, and develope this stuff for a living... I might have a clue about these things..

Tell ya what, if my v1SE^2 melts off during the brutal Florida heat this summer, I'll buy some Second Skin just for you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I bet it wont.. but then again thats SE^2. Go get the original version of Edead.. see if that melts? IT may, it may not, but it will for some of the people that use it.

or in either case, send me your address I Will send you some Damplifier Pro to compare to it..

ANT