Again, I am no expert, and I agree with the Fosgate sub theory, and nowaday there are some really high end companies producing amazing products besides Fosgate. from what I gather the New Fosgate stuff is CRAP!!!does not suprise me, In fact I have heard some guys who swear by RF amps turn around and bash all Fosgates other components like Subs and Speakers BUT. When it comes to Fosgate Amps from the 1990's, I still have faith in Fosgate. In fact I think it is safe to say that in the last 10 years every "NEW" amplifier company has tried to imitate and envies Rockford Fosgate and probably HIfonics. I am 31 years old and remember the old days when owning a Fosgate system was like owning a Ferrari. It ain't that way anymore, so I can see where a younger crowd that is presented with so many NEW and GREAT products thinks RF is just a mediocre outfit. But My ears don't decieve me, and for years Fosgate Amps were tha S H I T!..I mean can you imagine in 5 years someone saying "Most people don't find what they are looking for in JL Audio, You should avoid it"..That may be true in 5 years but to you it would sound ridiculous, because you knew a diffrent time.