What does ca.com think?

[Bigrick31 10+ year member]

I know all about co-op's. You still need to reread what I said. I said an illegal transaction from a street dealer. WTF does that have to do with someone participating in a legal co-op? I think a few of you nay sayers are on the stuff right now.

but even if you dont have a card you can usually find one of the medical growers who will deliver and give you the same price about $200 an oz last time I got some I asked the guy if he wanted to verify my medical card first and he said he just puts that on craisglist so they dont remove his listing.

Your getting too hung up on this im merely informing you that the clubs are more expensive than the streets now.

I think before that aspect of this discussion goes any further, someone needs to tell me what 'illegal' pot would be in a world where pot was legalized. No cohesion to this argument what so ever.

You need a licence to sell beer but beer is legal if your selling it without a licence that is illegal the same will go for pot

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Your getting too hung up on this im merely informing you that the clubs are more expensive than the streets now.


You need a licence to sell beer but beer is legal if your selling it without a licence that is illegal the same will go for pot

I expected this answer. I guess the only real solution is to illegalize beer.

 

[Bigrick31 10+ year member]

I dont see the relevance to your post why would you illegalize beer?

 

[Bigrick31 10+ year member]

Tobacco was never illegal. Tobacco was always taxed. You could argue that tobacco was necessary to help build the economy in the U.S. The same cannot be said for Weed. It has done more bad than good.

someone needs a history lesson

Hemp in History -- Cannabis sativa, or hemp, is our first known crop, traced back to 8000 B.C. in the Middle East and China. Hemp textiles go back in history as far as pottery.

Hemp was used in sails, caulk and rigging for the ships that opened worldwide commerce. Most paper was made with hemp for 1000s of years. Early American farmers were reqjuired to grow it. Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were drafted on hemp. Hemp was the world's largest single industry until the mid-1800s. The U.S. government suspended prohibition and had farmers grow a million acres of hemp to stop Hitler during WWII.

To those who think marijuana is a gateway drug dont believe the propaganda check it out http://stopthedrugwar.org/news/2010/sep/02/study_disputes_marijuana_gateway

oh and anyone who says anything about marijuana killing people get the facts: http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

No, its not a valid point. If weed is legalized, there is no such thing as getting it illegally (unless you want to talk about stealing it, which is another crime/topic altogether). That seems like a pretty obvious point to be continually escaping you.

Follow the convo. It was said that you would need a permit to grow/sell it. You need a permit to own a gun, and sell them in retail. Yet people buy guns illegally all the time. Why wouldn't people do the same thing for marijuana? Fear and money are two of the biggest motivators. To believe that just because it becomes legal to sell it everyone would all of a sudden just start buying it from a store is ridiculous. That's the point I'm trying to get across. What do you think all the people who are currently making a living off selling illegally going to do? You think they're just going to stop? They can't all open up retail stores and sell it legally. They're not paying taxes on it and have a ton less expenses than a retail store would so they would be able to sell it cheaper than authorized retail stores.

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

Because a firearm is a registered and controlled item. Buying one illegally can be done so for many reasons, including no traceability if the purchaser knows he's gonna use it to murder someone, felons who are not allowed to own one legally, and people who wish to own more firearms than their local laws allow. A bag of [legal] pot does not fit ANY of those situations, at all. As for paralleling it to illegal immigrants, seriously, wtf man? Do I really need to go through all the reasons people chose to enter this country illegally, that also would not have anything to do with legalized weed? I really feel you need to think a little more about the topic, and the parallels you are trying to draw to it.
How about this one, people can kill legally (war time), so why does anyone kill illegally? Yet another reason people would still chose to buy illegal pot! (whatever illegal pot would be, considering we are talking about if it was LEGAL)

People cannot just kill anyone legally during war time //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

The parallel I made was actually quite accurate

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Follow the convo. It was said that you would need a permit to grow/sell it.

Ive followed the convo. Just because 'someone' said it here does not mean that would be the case. Needing a permit to grow it is not the legalization I was referring to, and frankly is silly. Lets use the popular parallel to beer. Do we need a permit to make our own beer for personal consumption? No. Obviously making it ourselves means we still have to abide by underage drinking laws, and we cant just open up a liquor store and sell it out of our home with no restrictions.

Restrictions would have to apply. There would, no doubt, be a minimum age required to purchase/posses weed, just like other mind altering substances currently legal. And all tax laws would have to apply. That would not create any more of an underground black market in pot than there currently is for cigarettes or homemade beer. Would people still break laws and consume it under age, or have personal transactions that bypass tax laws? Yes, but that would be a much smaller problem than the current one we are in. The number of people incarcerated for possessing and/or selling pot (to adults) is staggering. There will always be issues, the point is to minimize those issues.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I dont see the relevance to your post why would you illegalize beer?

See my above reply. I think on this point, we agree. We were only butting heads on the street price versus club prices. In any eent, if it became fully legal (minus age laws etc I mentioned above), the 'club' prices would drop due to a vast increase in competition. The whole medical aspect of its legalization in Cali (and I assume elsewhere) helps keep prices artificially high. (no pun intended)

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

People cannot just kill anyone legally during war time //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif
The parallel I made was actually quite accurate

Nope you cant kill just anyone during war, and you would not be able to sell/give pot to just anyone legally, even if it were 'legalized'.

The parallel you make is inaccurate. I gave 3 main reasons why there are still black market gun sales. Besides purchasing for underage consumption, what reasons can you give that would allow a black market to still exist for marijuana? If you suggest to bypass taxes, why do we not see a large black market for homemade alcohol?

 

[Bigrick31 10+ year member]

See my above reply. I think on this point, we agree. We were only butting heads on the street price versus club prices. In any eent, if it became fully legal (minus age laws etc I mentioned above), the 'club' prices would drop due to a vast increase in competition. The whole medical aspect of its legalization in Cali (and I assume elsewhere) helps keep prices artificially high. (no pun intended)

Correct you are

Follow the convo. It was said that you would need a permit to grow/sell it. You need a permit to own a gun, and sell them in retail. Yet people buy guns illegally all the time. Why wouldn't people do the same thing for marijuana? Fear and money are two of the biggest motivators. To believe that just because it becomes legal to sell it everyone would all of a sudden just start buying it from a store is ridiculous. That's the point I'm trying to get across. What do you think all the people who are currently making a living off selling illegally going to do? You think they're just going to stop? They can't all open up retail stores and sell it legally. They're not paying taxes on it and have a ton less expenses than a retail store would so they would be able to sell it cheaper than authorized retail stores.

Comparing Guns to pot is like comparing guns to pot it just dosnt make any sense. People buy guns illegally because they are planning on using them in criminal activities. You see there is a second criminal act that invokes the first

Buying a gun illegally = Committing a crime with that gun = Staying out of jail

What would be the motivating factors behind buying marijuana illegally? You would be committing an illegal act so that you can partake in something that is already legal.

Lets stick with guns here if it were legal for everyone to kill whomever they pleased for whatever reason and if robbery with a firearm were legal there would be no reason for anyone to buy a gun illegally. Its the personal gain in the second criminal act that invokes the first, without personal gain theres no reason to commit a crime. Prohibition ended and with it so did the Speak easy (if you dont know what it is look it up) Al Capone one of the greatest gangsters in american history sold illegal booz during prohibition and the only thing he got popped for was tax evasion now your telling me that if he could have legally sold his booz so long as he paid a small tax on it that he would have continued to do it illegally? The benefits do not outweigh the cost its economics 101 what would you gain from buying or selling marijuana illegally if it becomes legal and does that gain outweigh the potential loss (in this case a fine or jail time) and the answer to that is NO!

As for the people currently selling marijuana illegally they will either stop or go somewhere where its still illegal if they stayed it would be an uphill battle which will end in them going out of business or to jail.

 

[PIITB Wut Wut 10+ year member]

stonerz

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Okay, who nigga lipped the pipe?

 

[chunky cumz 10+ year member]

no mods on right now... hrmmmm

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Hangover's ****...