what do you guys think about war?

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

I bet if we sent Christopher Lowell to redecorate Sadaam's place and Richard Simmons to help him get into shape, he'd kill himself.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

The reason everyone blames the US is because the US is the main country pushing the war.

Someone stated earlier that they want the war so they can lve the next 30-40 years in peace. YEAH, right. A war right now, and you'll spend the next 30-40 years living in a bio dome because the world will be too destroyed to support life.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict The reason everyone blames the US is because the US is the main country pushing the war.

 

Someone stated earlier that they want the war so they can lve the next 30-40 years in peace. YEAH, right. A war right now, and you'll spend the next 30-40 years living in a bio dome because the world will be too destroyed to support life.

while I don't share your same sentiments on the blame resting on the shoulders of the U.S., I do think that this war is going to be extremely dirty. chemical, biological, weapons will be used and that scares the pants off me. however, If we don't stop not only sadam but bin laden, his followers, from attaing this weapons, it is hard telling were the weapons might end up, I.E. the U.S. your beloved canada, mexico, australia, england, of course france germany and russia are aiding in ben laden's attempts to gain control of this weapons, so they will be safe. atleast for a little while.

The U.S. is not instegating anything my friend. the U.S. is trying to protect those innocent people and those people that are to scared to send in there military so that they can get reelected again the next election. We didn't fly planes into the towers, bin ladens followers did. and that was without chemical, biological warfare, imagine what he could do with them.

so I ask you, do you want your family to inhale, anthrax, serin gas, mustard gas, the small pox, the plague. because giving sadam six more months is going to allow that to happen.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

mr. caraudioaddict

you have already shown your vast knowledge of history, I.E. saying France was defeating germany in WWII. and that my friend is your downfall. you have little grasp of history and without history you cannot fully grasp the magnitude of what is happening here and what the U.S. has done in the past 12 years to PEACEFULLY disarm him. I believe it was you that was saying that is has been proven that they were planning the attacks for more than three years. so that would put it back into when we were peacefully disarming them, and peacefully asking them to play nice. read ZANES post. 14 failed initiatives BY YOUR BELOVED U.N. over twelve years.

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

I know of no case in history where a leader such as Saddam has ever disarmed or willingly given up on wars of conquest. Whether it be Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Mussolini, Tojo, Pol Pot, they are all driven by ego and power lust. The very traits which allowed them to rise from the maelstrom to become the coldest of the cold, the cruelest of the cruel, the sneakiest of the sneaky, and then we wonder why this type can never be trusted. Madness is bad. Madness in charge of a nation is far worse. Madness and WMD's is intolerable.

Don't forget that as a teenager Saddam attempted to kill the head of state of Iraq. Saddam has had thousands of loyal followers tortured and killed. Saddam has gassed his own people. Saddam has started a brutal war of aggression against Iran. Saddam has attempted to build an A bomb in the early 80's which Israel destroyed. Saddam has gassed Iranian troops and citizens. Saddam has occupied Kuwait leading to the first Gulf War. Saddam has invaded Saudi Arabia at Khafji in an attempt to take the Saudi oil fields and bloody the nose of the US Army before it reached strength. A pi**poor decision by ole Hussein but aggression nonetheless. Saddam lit the Kuwaiti oil fields and opened pipelines into the Gulf. Saddam has amassed his troops on more than 1 occassion along the Kuwaiti border. Saddam has given aid and comfort to Bin Laden's boys who have fled. One of Saddam's lackeys ws seen in Europe meeting with the ringleader Mohammed Atta. Saddam allows an Al Qaeda traing camp within Iraqi borders. Saddam has allowed a jetliner trainer in Baghdad be used for hijacker training. Saddam has authorized an assassination attempt on former President George Herbert Walker Bush. Saddam has refused to live up to the terms of the Gulf War cease fire. No peace treaty was ever signed. Saddam agreed to certain terms so that Uncle Sam rould remove the M16 from Saddam's sphincter. Violation of the cease fire authorizes the US to kick his *** so hard he'll be wearing it for a hat.

If the UN does not have the hangie downs to enforce it own resolutions, 14 now I believe, then it has become the weak horse Bin Laden refers to. WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD A FIFTEENTH RESOLUTION MAKE? Would we not then hear that a 16th might make a difference.

"Let it be resolved that we the United Nations this time really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really mean that you better quit it. If you doubt us we double dog dare you to cross your heart and hope to die then stick a needle in your eye dare you to knock it off. Or else. Really. The end. And we're not kidding this time."-Possible UN press release from 2005-

How close to this must we get.

PEACE

 

[mrray13 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict nope, the type that can't comprehend no matter how hard you try.

 

You are saying - Bin laden hurt us so we should hurt saddam (because he has ties to al-quaida and we can't hurt the late Bin Laden. Basically the old eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

 

eye for an eye?? doesn't the bible say something about that?

 

Yes Saddam should be removed from power, but there are many better ways to do it besides war (sniper, poison, direct attack on him and him only). No where in my arguments did I say "wait and see what hapens". I've only said that war is not the

solution.

 

rules of engagenent/war?? oh yeah, us americans don't listen to that....

 

When the war comes I will defend my home country. I have pride in my countries acheivements, and will defend my way of life if need be, but I will not condone an unjust war.

 

wait, that would be an eye for eye...and since the usa isn't suppose to retaliate or prevent future attacks..u can't either....

 

I fully believe in peace, and that there is a peaceful solution to the worlds problems.

 

well, what is it??? a couple of you have been saying that over and over...but don't tell no-one what it is. i know, more U.N. paperwork towards them..tariffs..um, banning them from watching the superbowl?? i believe most of the talking as yeiled little more then saddam giving the U.N. the bird.....

 

Patriotism is a good thing, to a point. To take patriotism so far that war is the only alternative is a bad thing.

 

sometimes going to war is the only way to be patriotic....

 

when you go to fight the war, remember, that soldier that you are aiming your gun at has a father, mother, cousins, uncles, etc. and the loss to them is no different than if you lost a member of your family.

 

 

what about the families of the victims of 9/11? embassy bombings? terroriest attacks/ bombings of airports, planes..anything that is in their way?? don't they count?? why is it okay for them to kill innocent ppl because those ppl don't believe in their way of life? what about the families inside iraq that saddam is killing?? oh yeah..he doesn't do that...only americans kill innocent ppl.......

 

remember this...he has already used chem's on HIS OWN ppl...who's to say he won't use them( some believe he did, against the u.s. in the gulf war) again? i guess we could step aside until he invades another country...but what if we didn't respond?? then we'd be the bad guys for not saving the world....if i remember correctly...during times of recent conflict, we send in more troops then most allied nations send combined..oh yeah, we americans start them all too......

read this....

Subject: Clinton - The Promise Keeper & Bush - The War Monger

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and

injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be

hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.

military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be

hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which

killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that

those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed

224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible! would be

hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and

injured 39 U.S.sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be

hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000 people

in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

And, now that Bush is taking action to bring these people to

justice, we have opponents charging him with being a war monger...

AN INTERESTING QUESTION:

This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show.

Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question.

There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One develops

relatively cheap software and gives billions of dollars to charity. The

other sponsors terrorism. That being the case, why was it that the Clinton

Administration spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the past eight

years than Osama bin Laden?

THINK ABOUT IT!

It is a strange turn of events.

Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.

Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.

That's $20 Million total for two people who have spent the past 8 years

being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath!

Sincerely,

Cmdr Hamilton McWhorter

USN(Ret)

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota sure we can kill him without all of that. but that still will get us nowhere

Actually, it gets us everywhere.. If Saddam is gone, then we can waltz around all we like and collect what ever he might have had lying around.. and do it without civillian or our millitary casualties..

I'm saying it needs to be a sergical strike on Saddam, not a ground war like I hear Bush is proposing.. Find out where he has a function to show up and, and level the building ... he's gone..

As far as the depelted uranium goes.. Yes, he is doing horrid things to his own people.. perhaps for that alone we should toast him.. but we won't (for that).. But, he's not polluting 'our' land (untill he manages to get some weapons here as we walk across the desert instead of flattening him).. We don't 'have' to use nasty weapons to be effective.. but we do.. While we don't do as blatantly horrific things to our own people, we seem to have no issue causing all kinds of collateral damage when it could have been avoided..

Again.. If Saddam is really such a bad guy (and I doubt there can be question that he is psycho and an 'evil' person if ever there was one).. Have the UN agree that he needs to be removed from power, by force if needed (not war).. Let us send in some special ops teams .. leave him as a wet spot on a wall somplace.. then it's pretty much over..

Sure would go a long way to letting any other 'would be' psycho leaders know that if they get too far out of line and threaten too many people that they might get shot..

Oh, wait.. if that happens, then the US will have to worry about the rest of the world getting mad and deciding to 'remove' the US leader.. can't have that.. guess it has to be a game where we know that if someone tries to play it on us we can win? War as an official declaration to protect us from the rest of the world that doesn't feel all that bad about us being attacked?

All I'm saying is.. I'd rather not see the US get into a nasty drawn out conflict where a lot of people are going to get hurt in the most horrific ways possible (chem and bio weaps..).. Find a way to kill this shit and make it fast/swift/accurate/final..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

You want to know what scares me the most?

Tonight makes TWICE that I've seen a recording being touted as "live" from DC where some guy talks up the war.. then Bush claims it's "his" (the leader's) job to decide all this, no one elses (sooooo friggin arrogant)..

Explain to me how you can have a "live" interview about a war update (complete with the same exact errors? stutters?) several hours apart? And, the whole 'bin Laden tape' stuff.. I mean, comon.. He's the type of psycho that LOVES and LIVES to let you see him.. we haven't gotten any pics/vid for over a year? but have 'tapes' that 'sound like they might' be him?

I mean, my 'local' live news says "we go now live to DC for this update".. and that 'tape' has a "live" graphic in the corner.. but you can't have it "live" 2 hours later.. not the 'exact' same interview (you don't make 4 or 5 mistakes/blunders in exactly the same place and have exactly the same reaction for recovery).. "wag the dog"..

Again, if the US gov wasn't so totally currupt, this might not be an issue.. but it has the stink of a setup..

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

well, what is it??? a couple of you have been saying that over and over...but don't tell no-one what it is. i know, more U.N. paperwork towards them..tariffs..um, banning them from watching the superbowl?? i believe most of the talking as yeiled little more then saddam giving the U.N. the bird.....

What do you mean it hasn't been mentioned? I've seen on this thread 3 or 4 times alone, never mind how many other people who actually think have thought about it.

Here I'll help:

--------->>>KILL SADDAM AND ONLY SADDAM

Will that not remove saddam from from power? If it doesn't I'd like to how he controls his people from the grave. Al-quaida's cheif support line would be cut, so there terrorist activities would have to cease, or at least be cut severly (how do you use razor blades to hi-jack airplanes when you can't afford any?).

My knowledge of history? yeah it's not the greatest, I don't keep track of every single battle, but I did pay attention in school and know the gist of what happened.

BTW - Hitler was a great leader. If he hadn't of killed all the jewish people, and none jewish people that he thought were "imperfect", he might still be running germany today. How many other leaders have brought a country from being poverty stricken,all the up to be a major world power?

Another note: Hitlers idea of the perfect person was blonde haired, blue eyed, and tall. He himself was short, brunnette, and had brown eyes. (hypocritical, sounds familer, reminds me of a certain president who is trying to fight a "war" for "peace" and at the same time is undermining the very principal of the constitution).

I've had it with this thread. War-mongers don't understand peace, and never will.

Let me close with a line from Jeff Foxworthy:

"God, I hate stupid people!"

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict What do you mean it hasn't been mentioned? I've seen on this thread 3 or 4 times alone, never mind how many other people who actually think have thought about it.

 

Here I'll help:

 

 

--------->>>KILL SADDAM AND ONLY SADDAM

 

Will that not remove saddam from from power? If it doesn't I'd like to how he controls his people from the grave. Al-quaida's cheif support line would be cut, so there terrorist activities would have to cease, or at least be cut severly (how do you use razor blades to hi-jack airplanes when you can't afford any?).

 

My knowledge of history? yeah it's not the greatest, I don't keep track of every single battle, but I did pay attention in school and know the gist of what happened.

 

BTW - Hitler was a great leader. If he hadn't of killed all the jewish people, and none jewish people that he thought were "imperfect", he might still be running germany today.

 

Another note: Hitlers idea of the perfect person was blonde haired, blue eyed, and tall. He himself was short, brunnette, and had brown eyes. (hypocritical, sounds familer, reminds me of a certain president who is trying to fight a "war" for "peace" and at the same time is undermining the very principal of the constitution).

 

 

I've had it with this thread. War-mongers don't understand peace, and never will.

 

Let me close with a line from Jeff Foxworthy:

 

"God, I hate stupid people!"

you mean you don't understand history and don't want to be made a fool again so instead you are respectfully leaving. glad your not in my country so you don't have to leave it too.

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

The bottom line on this is that NO sane person WANTS war. Most wars are FORCED upon countries...as this one has been.

No sane person WANTS to kill someone threatening their home or family. No sane person will ALLOW it to happen without putting up an offense against it either.

Facts. Period. ANyone who doubts the US being the pillar underneath modern civilization and being the Earth's best hope for a wonderful tomorrow has not bothered to learn the truths of this world.

PEACE

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Seriously...if you guys find so much bullshit to argue about over our country, move to Guam

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by snova031 Seriously...if you guys find so much bullshit to argue about over our country, move to Guam

Why?

You do know it's a US Territory, don't you?

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Savant Why?

 

You do know it's a US Territory, don't you?

Guam was the first thing that came to my head...I'm not talking about the people argueing about the war, bush/clinton...I'm talking about those that are *****ing about how our country works, if they don't like it, they can leave...like I said, go to Guam...or go to Syberia

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

BTW - Hitler was a great leader.

"God, I hate stupid people!"

Don't be so hard on yourself.

PEACE