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[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

I can't prove a negative, nor do I have to. I can't prove something isn't there. I can't prove there isn't a flying spaghetti monster in the sky. Are you not getting the point here? Burden of proof dude. Since you're all so educated and I'm just a college idiot, you should understand this more than me, shouldn't you?

Well you finally got something right! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Dumbass fucking moonbat.

 

[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

It shows that without the tax cuts for the rich (the green line) we wouldn't have debt let alone a debt crisis. Spending has shot up these past few years because of the recession (and same thing for revenue, it's much lower than normal because of the recession).

Tax cuts for the rich?

What percentage of income do you think our government should take from its individual citizens?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Said this 100 times before and I will say it again a tax rate is not revenue. Calling them one in the same = fail as demonstrated in my links.

 

[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

I never said it was. I am making a totally different point.

With respect to rates, Carter had crazy high rates, but Reagan brought in more revenue with much lower tax rates.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Does*

Got me....

Take that me...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/redface.gif.62fdbfe1a101588a808c4cff71bcb942.gif

 

[brodeisel 10+ year member]

wanna see a picture of my boner

 

[Kangaroux 5,000+ posts]

wanna see a picture of my boner

What's there to look at?

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

What's there to look at?

bennie wennie with a bite out of it.....

 

[brodeisel 10+ year member]

yep you caught me.

 

[mast240 10+ year member]

proxy... you really are one of the dumbest people i've seen on this forum... that is all

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Here are a few quotes straight from Obama's books.....these are HIS own words...

From Dreams From My Father:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by

doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From Dreams From My Father :

"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From Dreams From My Father:

"There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white."

From Dreams From My Father:

"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses,

to strike out and name names."

From Dreams From My Father:

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's

image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of

Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

And FINALLY .............. and most scary:

From Audacity of Hope:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

I don't care whether you are a Democrat, a Republican, a Conservative or a liberal,

be aware of the attitude and character of this sitting President.

Again, these are his own words, not mine or any one else.

 

[ColterDC 10+ year member]

Whenever I think about our current situation in this country, I get angry and then depressed. Not for myself or my generation, but for our kids and their kids.

What kind of financial clusterfuck are we going to pass on?

It's irritating to think there are people in this world who would trade our future just so they can have a 2nd or 3rd home, a bigger private jet, etc. They along with all the dead beat leeches are killing off the middle/working class.

I wonder if 20 years from now the post apocalyptic "I am Legend/Omega Man" scenario will become real. Except instead of a few plague survivors and the endless mass of mutants, the survivors will be the extremely wealthy and the mutants will be the poor.

I guess the most frustration part of this is the fact it will never change and will probably only get worse.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Whenever I think about our current situation in this country, I get angry and then depressed. Not for myself or my generation, but for our kids and their kids.
What kind of financial clusterfuck are we going to pass on?

It's irritating to think there are people in this world who would trade our future just so they can have a 2nd or 3rd home, a bigger private jet, etc. They along with all the dead beat leeches are killing off the middle/working class.

I wonder if 20 years from now the post apocalyptic "I am Legend/Omega Man" scenario will become real. Except instead of a few plague survivors and the endless mass of mutants, the survivors will be the extremely wealthy and the mutants will be the poor.

I guess the most frustration part of this is the fact it will never change and will probably only get worse.

You could take all the money from the ubber rich in this country in one shot and it would total about 1.2 or 1.3 trillion far short of what is needed and you would then turn the ubber rich to the ubber poor. Redistribution of anything is a man made disaster. Look at the starvation in Russia and China..many people were given farms and didnt know the best ways to run them. They gave non farmers farms too run and they didnt know how to get good crops for many years.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

My point exactly. I (we) gave you facts and proof of wasteful spending being part of our debt. But like you said, you dont have to because you CANT!!.

There is no proof that wasteful spending is not a part of the debt, this is why you can not offer any.

But we can offer proof and facts that it is part of the problem.

Now you seem to be taking a shot at my education, with out any facts .......very typical of your side.( your elite holier than thou is showing again)

But I will take that shot as a very big complement coming from you.

I'm not arguing that that it's not a part of our debt/deficit/budget. I'm arguing that it's not a significant part of our debt/deficit/budget. Audioholic thinks removing waste should be our #1 priority before eliminating the massive tax cuts the rich have had over the past 30 years which is the largest driver of our enormous debt. I think, while waste is definitely a problem that should be addressed, it is not our biggest problem.

Right now, our biggest problem is the economy and people unemployed. To solve that we need jobs programs like Obama is trying to get passed right now. After that, we need to worry about our huge deficits. To do that, we need to stop giving the richest people in our country (the top 1.5%) a free ride in solving our debt problem. Republicans want to put the burden of ALL the debt, ALL the 14 trillion dollars that we've given the rich over the past 30 years (to zero benefit to our economy, unlike what was promised) on the people who can afford it the least, the middle class and the poor. I, like the Democrats and the majority of the country, want to make the rich pay their fair share once again.

Tell me, what is so bad about what I just said? What is so wrong?

And the education thing is mostly pointed at audioholic, whose argument basically amounts to "you're in college, that means you're wrong".

 

[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

To do that, we need to stop giving the richest people in our country (the top 1.5%) a free ride in solving our debt problem. Republicans want to put the burden of ALL the debt, ALL the 14 trillion dollars that we've given the rich over the past 30 years (to zero benefit to our economy, unlike what was promised) on the people who can afford it the least, the middle class and the poor. I, like the Democrats and the majority of the country, want to make the rich pay their fair share once again.

I ask again, what is a citizen's "fair share"? What percentage of income do you think the government should take from its citizens?

Please answer this question so we can move this discussion forward.