Want to upgrade from SA-8v2's. Want more SQ. Need suggestions

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

Now when you say it's "not a showboater" that makes it sound like it doesn't really get THAT loud. I want a sub that can be leveled to blend with the rest of the system but at the same time can crank that fuc*** up and shake some sh** loose haha.
I usually play my SA-8s pretty conservatively but they can be cranked and shake the hell out of my car pretty well. They just don't have that fast transient response that I miss from my Hertz ES300

 

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Case in point

By showboater, I don't mean to say the Level 2 doesn't hit hard and loud. It actually does, just in a different way. The low end extension is SIGNIFICANTLY improved and I can hit notes in the mid-20s that my ID10 wouldn't dare try to reproduce. On 600W, I'm confident it will be low and loud enough for pretty much any DD setup, though I wouldn't call it your "traditional" SQL setup (only because I'm really not a fan of the term in the first place). The biggest difference between the ID10 and Level 2 that comes to mind is with how it reproduces a kick bass hit. The ID10 would play the "note" of it (if you can follow my meaning) while the Level 2 would make me "feel" the kick. So the biggest difference (on the same power and same enclosure, mind you) is that the Level 2 is more of a "feel it" sub while the ID10 is more of a "hear it" sub.

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

Btw, please don't use YT videos for reference on a sub's performance. Unless they're professionally recorded, all you're picking up on is the camera's internal mic distortion. NOT a proper evaluation for how a sub sounds IRL.

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

Btw, please don't use YT videos for reference on a sub's performance. Unless they're professionally recorded, all you're picking up on is the camera's internal mic distortion. NOT a proper evaluation for how a sub sounds IRL.

Unless you use an external mic to record that can handle the bass without distorting //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

2 12 inch Ascendant Audio Mayhem subs Rack City Tyga on Exile X5 - YouTube

Camera is out of focus because it is a DSLR and it was hard to focus it while shifting gears and steering.

 

[gamehawk55 10+ year member]

Btw, please don't use YT videos for reference on a sub's performance. Unless they're professionally recorded, all you're picking up on is the camera's internal mic distortion. NOT a proper evaluation for how a sub sounds IRL.

I wasn't going for an SQ representation there. Was just showing how much punishment the 8's dealt out to my car and was wondering if the DC's could do that while still having a quick response.

Also that's cool about the "feeling it" part of the LVL2. I think the SA-8s are somewhere in between feeling and hearing. I can feel it but it's not that "go through you" kind of "feel" if ya know what I mean. I just feel it on the back of my seats a bit and can feel it moving my pants around from the air movement.

 

[Sonic. 10+ year member]

Single ssa icon 15 and you would be happy.

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

By showboater, I don't mean to say the Level 2 doesn't hit hard and loud. It actually does, just in a different way. The low end extension is SIGNIFICANTLY improved and I can hit notes in the mid-20s that my ID10 wouldn't dare try to reproduce. On 600W, I'm confident it will be low and loud enough for pretty much any DD setup, though I wouldn't call it your "traditional" SQL setup (only because I'm really not a fan of the term in the first place). The biggest difference between the ID10 and Level 2 that comes to mind is with how it reproduces a kick bass hit. The ID10 would play the "note" of it (if you can follow my meaning) while the Level 2 would make me "feel" the kick. So the biggest difference (on the same power and same enclosure, mind you) is that the Level 2 is more of a "feel it" sub while the ID10 is more of a "hear it" sub.

Yeah. I think this guy was a loud set up that will play the notes he wants. He keeps throwing SQL out there...But I don't think he fully grasps what true SQ is.

From what I have picked up from reading. True SQ is being able to play 20-100hertz (or wherever you cross your next set of speakers at with your sub stage) all with a flat even response.

SPL is being a able to play maybe 10-15 of those numbers (lets say 27-42) really loud. And then there is a drop off for the other frequencies.

 

[gamehawk55 10+ year member]

Unless you use an external mic to record that can handle the bass without distorting //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
2 12 inch Ascendant Audio Mayhem subs Rack City Tyga on Exile X5 - YouTube

Camera is out of focus because it is a DSLR and it was hard to focus it while shifting gears and steering.

JESUS those 12's were going nuts

 

[gamehawk55 10+ year member]

Yeah. I think this guy was a loud set up that will play the notes he wants. He keeps throwing SQL out there...But I don't think he fully grasps what true SQ is.From what I have picked up from reading. True SQ is being able to play 20-100hertz (or wherever you cross your next set of speakers at with your sub stage) all with a flat even response.

SPL is being a able to play maybe 10-15 of those numbers (lets say 27-42) really loud. And then there is a drop off for the other frequencies.

I always associate SPL with being able to get loud and shake stuff. Is an SQ sub capable of that too? Just being able to play a lot better and be more musical?

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

I wasn't going for an SQ representation there. Was just showing how much punishment the 8's dealt out to my car and was wondering if the DC's could do that while still having a quick response.
Also that's cool about the "feeling it" part of the LVL2. I think the SA-8s are somewhere in between feeling and hearing. I can feel it but it's not that "go through you" kind of "feel" if ya know what I mean. I just feel it on the back of my seats a bit and can feel it moving my pants around from the air movement.

I've been a musician since I was probably 13-14 years old and have been to enough live shows to know I can recognize an accurately-reproduced bass kick in a car. That's the kind of feeling I'm already starting to get with the Level 2 and it just got installed Friday, so the suspension is basically still factory stiff. What I've really found is I don't have the same phase interference I was getting with the ID10 and can now feel my pant legs being pushed from my mids and more of an up-front impact from each bass hit rather than an all-around or from-behind impact. Like I said previously, though, a lot of that has to do more with how your system is TUNED rather than the specific drivers you're using. If you upgraded some of your sound processing and played around with some TA and more bands of EQ, I think you'll find that sound you're looking for even with the subs you're already using.

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

JESUS those 12's were going nuts

That's on 1/3 power and the amp is at 2.7 ohms. So each sub was probably getting about 500-700 watts a piece....and that is a maybe. My box is too big and too efficient.

I will be able to give them full power at 0.7 ohms this summer when I finish doing the install.

A single 15 or 2 12s on your amp...will rock your world.

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

Single ssa icon 15 and you would be happy.

ICON is out of his price range. He's looking for 200 max. Though that's an INSANELY good driver.

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

I always associate SPL with being able to get loud and shake stuff. Is an SQ sub capable of that too? Just being able to play a lot better and be more musical?

Yes. It would just take more cone area or more power.

 

[gamehawk55 10+ year member]

That's on 1/3 power and the amp is at 2.7 ohms. So each sub was probably getting about 500-700 watts a piece....and that is a maybe. My box is too big and too efficient.I will be able to give them full power at 0.7 ohms this summer when I finish doing the install.

A single 15 or 2 12s on your amp...will rock your world.

I don't think I have the space for a 15" but 2 12's should work

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

That's on 1/3 power and the amp is at 2.7 ohms. So each sub was probably getting about 500-700 watts a piece....and that is a maybe. My box is too big and too efficient.I will be able to give them full power at 0.7 ohms this summer when I finish doing the install.

A single 15 or 2 12s on your amp...will rock your world.

Just do us all a favor and NOT record while driving next time, please? Accident waiting to happen right there

 

[gamehawk55 10+ year member]

Yes. It would just take more cone area or more power.

So I guess 2 12" SQ subs on the same power as the 8's should definetly sound better and get just as loud if not louder if I wanted them to

 

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Just do us all a favor and NOT record while driving next time, please? Accident waiting to happen right there

Next time go with him then you can do the recording haha