Wanna go active but have a few questions first

Sorry, been working on finishing my deck outside.

You're proposed setup isn't bad, but you've got some money going where it doesn't need to.

First is the rear fill. If you want to do a 7" mid for rear fill, the CA18RNX is a nice speaker. A nicer speaker for that job would be the Vifa MG18. Doesn't have the midbass thump of the CA18, but you're not looking for that in rear fill anyway. What it does have is a spectacular top end. It's extends very high for a 7" mid

Now, I would like to ask, why are you so set on using rear speakers?

 
Sorry, been working on finishing my deck outside.
You're proposed setup isn't bad, but you've got some money going where it doesn't need to.

First is the rear fill. If you want to do a 7" mid for rear fill, the CA18RNX is a nice speaker. A nicer speaker for that job would be the Vifa MG18. Doesn't have the midbass thump of the CA18, but you're not looking for that in rear fill anyway. What it does have is a spectacular top end. It's extends very high for a 7" mid

Now, I would like to ask, why are you so set on using rear speakers?
ill have to check that vifa out will it blend well with my frontstage you think?

As for the rear fill i just dont wanna be lacking in mids/highs with the amount of bass that is going to be coming from my substage. I just feel like i might be missing something if i dont. Is it really not neccessary?

 
do you think instead of more rear fill i should get another set of tweets for the high in the rear since its right near the bass?

I actually kinda wanna go over kill and just go all out for a front stage, rearstage, and substage... would anything be wrong with that besides the fact that its going to cost?

 
You're pretty stuck on this rear stage thing. I'm getting the feeling that you've never heard a properly designed, installed, and tuned front stage. You'd be surprised what it can sound like. You want to have as little as possible coming from behind you to achieve proper staging. Anything other than subsonic frequencies (below 80 hz) coming from behind you will pull your front stage backwards, and that's not a desirable effect.

There are a ton of problems with trying to get a front stage as loud as a sub stage that's running the kind of power you're talking about.

One is even if you get your mids loud enough to match up, you'll have so many resonance problems it'll drive you insane. Door panels LOVE to rattle.

That being said though, you can still get great midbass. A well integrated midbass will pull your substage forward so that it sounds more coming from in front of you as opposed to from behind you. That's what's meant by staging.

You're target frequency for a midbass should be 70-80 hz (with good power handling), or 60-70 hz (with moderate power handling) Under 70-80 hz, frequency generally becomes non-localized. In other words, it's hard to tell where it's coming from.

That all being said, and based on what you want from a midbass, I'd stay away from the Exclusives. They are amazing drivers, but they're not the strongest midbass performers. Once again, the CA18RNX is a stronger midbass performer, if not as detailed in the midrange. The L18RNX is a beautiful driver with amazing midbass capability, but it's top end leaves a little to be desired with a nasty breakup mode, and it's generally difficult nature. The P18RNX is the best of both worlds. (I'm stating basically drivers in the same price range)

Now if you can fit an 8" driver, and are willing to do a 3-way setup (midbass in doors, midrange in kicks, and tweeter depending on what sounds best), then the Peerless SLS 8" driver is a beast.

With a 3-way, you definitely don't need a rear stage. The SLS 8" can drop very low, and handle a good amount of power, though it doesn't need that much power to really get moving.

If you really want to do this right, and have the money to spend.

Peerless SLS 8" midbasses in doors with proper deadening and sealing. A suitable midrange driver in kicks. There are a ton to choose from. The Vifa MG14, the Vifa/Peerless TG9, a whole slew of Tang Band drivers, the Dayton RS125, etc, etc, etc. Then an appropriate tweeter, depending on the midrange you choose.

For amps, since you like Memphis, the MC300 for the midbasses, and a MC300.4 to run the midranges, and tweeters.

If it were me, SLS 8", Vifa MG14 (one of my all time favorite drivers), and the Alpine variant Vifa XT19 (because it's an awesome tweeter that only costs $14.00).

If you want a reference that what I'm talking about isn't something just out of my ***, hit up Hardhitta47 on this forum. I sold him a sub a while back and he listened to my setup. Front stages are what I do. Even though my sub stage is pretty beefy as well.

 
You're pretty stuck on this rear stage thing. I'm getting the feeling that you've never heard a properly designed, installed, and tuned front stage. You'd be surprised what it can sound like. You want to have as little as possible coming from behind you to achieve proper staging. Anything other than subsonic frequencies (below 80 hz) coming from behind you will pull your front stage backwards, and that's not a desirable effect.
There are a ton of problems with trying to get a front stage as loud as a sub stage that's running the kind of power you're talking about.

One is even if you get your mids loud enough to match up, you'll have so many resonance problems it'll drive you insane. Door panels LOVE to rattle.

That being said though, you can still get great midbass. A well integrated midbass will pull your substage forward so that it sounds more coming from in front of you as opposed to from behind you. That's what's meant by staging.

You're target frequency for a midbass should be 70-80 hz (with good power handling), or 60-70 hz (with moderate power handling) Under 70-80 hz, frequency generally becomes non-localized. In other words, it's hard to tell where it's coming from.

That all being said, and based on what you want from a midbass, I'd stay away from the Exclusives. They are amazing drivers, but they're not the strongest midbass performers. Once again, the CA18RNX is a stronger midbass performer, if not as detailed in the midrange. The L18RNX is a beautiful driver with amazing midbass capability, but it's top end leaves a little to be desired with a nasty breakup mode, and it's generally difficult nature. The P18RNX is the best of both worlds. (I'm stating basically drivers in the same price range)

Now if you can fit an 8" driver, and are willing to do a 3-way setup (midbass in doors, midrange in kicks, and tweeter depending on what sounds best), then the Peerless SLS 8" driver is a beast.

With a 3-way, you definitely don't need a rear stage. The SLS 8" can drop very low, and handle a good amount of power, though it doesn't need that much power to really get moving.

If you really want to do this right, and have the money to spend.

Peerless SLS 8" midbasses in doors with proper deadening and sealing. A suitable midrange driver in kicks. There are a ton to choose from. The Vifa MG14, the Vifa/Peerless TG9, a whole slew of Tang Band drivers, the Dayton RS125, etc, etc, etc. Then an appropriate tweeter, depending on the midrange you choose.

For amps, since you like Memphis, the MC300 for the midbasses, and a MC300.4 to run the midranges, and tweeters.

If it were me, SLS 8", Vifa MG14 (one of my all time favorite drivers), and the Alpine variant Vifa XT19 (because it's an awesome tweeter that only costs $14.00).

If you want a reference that what I'm talking about isn't something just out of my ***, hit up Hardhitta47 on this forum. I sold him a sub a while back and he listened to my setup. Front stages are what I do. Even though my sub stage is pretty beefy as well.
i def trust you word man i see you frontstage and i wanna be like you. I'm just a overperfectionist sometime and get carried away but i'm gonna take your word for it, and save me some monies!!!!!!

Im gonna take the advice of someone who is knowledgeable over my doubts and run with this setup you just reccomended in bold, would this be the best frontstage i could get for under 500 dollars?

 
Yeah, just because your budget is $500.00 doesn't mean you need to spend that much. The Exclusive/Seas Neo combo is a good one. The Exclusive can also mate up well with the LPG25, which is a more shimmery tweeter than the Seas Neo. The Vifa XT25 is also a great tweeter, but needs to be mounted on-axis. When placed on-axis it's hard to beat, especially for the money.

 
Yeah, just because your budget is $500.00 doesn't mean you need to spend that much. The Exclusive/Seas Neo combo is a good one. The Exclusive can also mate up well with the LPG25, which is a more shimmery tweeter than the Seas Neo. The Vifa XT25 is also a great tweeter, but needs to be mounted on-axis. When placed on-axis it's hard to beat, especially for the money.
Good deal man ill just run with the Exclusive/ Seas neo combo and forget the rear fill, and if i do add anything itll probably be some highs. Thanks man

You can fit 7" in your exploder with a little grinding work. You have a pretty good combo set up already. I can make you some rings for mounting to your doors. Just give me a call.
I def will be hittin you up about those rings man def appreciate it.

 
MiniVan and everyone else that really helped Jadon out, you rock. Once again you set an example for all of us here on how we should conduct ourselves when helping others out.

Jadon, I'm willing to bet that between the Exclusives and the Neos, you are going to have one killer front stage for the money invested.

 
MiniVan and everyone else that really helped Jadon out, you rock. Once again you set an example for all of us here on how we should conduct ourselves when helping others out.
Jadon, I'm willing to bet that between the Exclusives and the Neos, you are going to have one killer front stage for the money invested.
Yeah man i really appreciate all the help these guys gave me, especially minivanman, i came outta this thread with greatly increased understanding of an active setup and even better a plan for my setup. Again much thanks and ill let you guys know how it goes.

 
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