i had a 10 inch super blue NIB and it sounds nice now. not bad but needs a bigger than usual to get some noise out of itPyramid actually had some decent budget sounds I remember in the 90s, some of it was poop, depends on what line you got. I had some pyramids super blues and some legacy 1295s with the pink surround (I remember the model cause it was 12" 95oz magnet), they blew away the pioneer impp and pyle 'driver' series (chrome basket with like purple surround or some ****) for alot less