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[CHEMMINS 10+ year member]

What do you have against private property? Also do you think government has a right to tax 35-55% of what you leave your kids? Sounds like double dipping to me considering taxes have already been paid on estates like this for decades before one dies.

I am very against taxing inheritances. I am also against taxing lottery winnings. I mean, you bought the lotto ticket with money that has already been taxed as well. In Canada, when you win the lotto, you get the whole thing. If a Canadian wins the lotto in the states, he gets taxed initially, but can file for the rest of it when he gets back to Canada.

I don't have anything against private property, but I do believe everyone is entitled to the same level of care in the health environment. I mean the health system is hypocritical. They send an ambulance to any incident, and no matter whether you are rich or poor, the paramedics give you the best possible care they can give. Why does that change once you hit the hospital?

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Ok, how the hell did we get back to healthcare?

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

dbbl poast yeah!

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I am very against taxing inheritances. I am also against taxing lottery winnings. I mean, you bought the lotto ticket with money that has already been taxed as well. In Canada, when you win the lotto, you get the whole thing. If a Canadian wins the lotto in the states, he gets taxed initially, but can file for the rest of it when he gets back to Canada.
I don't have anything against private property, but I do believe everyone is entitled to the same level of care in the health environment. I mean the health system is hypocritical. They send an ambulance to any incident, and no matter whether you are rich or poor, the paramedics give you the best possible care they can give. Why does that change once you hit the hospital?

Are all doctors the same? NO so since they cant all see the same doctor or same facility they will indeed get DIFFERENT care anyway just like in every other country. Finland or Sweden (might be Norway) veterinarians treat country folks by mandate. Does that sound like "the same care" to you? Did you bring up only the rich or well off in any of this argument? If you did I rest my case. I am not making the argument that our system as a whole is the best but I am **** well sure the HC bill we have now is FAR and away terrible. Or national media outlets echo sources like Think Progress which is tied into 4 or five other far left KNOWN Marxist outlets for if no other reason than

globalization.

 

[VWBobby 10+ year member]

You're avoiding the point. Now, I don't know if you're retarded, or trolling, but the point is that they problem stems from the US population being unhealthy. They filed for bankruptcy because they had a lot of medical bills. They had a lot of medical bills because they were a bunch of unhealthy fucks. You don't see this in other countries because the root of the problem (LACK OF HEALTH) doesn't exist.
The best doctors and best practitioners makes the best system. That's the only straight arguement anyone can have on the subject and it makes you wrong, so I would keep that one out of this conversation. I planned on continuing without pointing out that obvious fact. Average and poor people have the same access to them as anyone else. Show up to a hospital with nothing and see if you get turned away. You need to turn off CNN bro.

Hell yeah. The only good argument I've really seen in this thread about the problems with our health care system and how to fix it. I wouldn't say that ALL other countries donn't have a "lack of health" (are healthy), but most European nations and other non-3rd world countries are a lot healthier than us.

 

[VWBobby 10+ year member]

What do you have against private property? Also do you think government has a right to tax 35-55% of what you leave your kids? Sounds like double dipping to me considering taxes have already been paid on estates like this for decades before one dies.

Exactly. That is also considered unconstitutional and illegal. You can not double-tax. The IRS and State taxes are a great example of this. You're not supposed to tax income twice. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Only 1 income and 1 sales tax is supposed to exist, if you state has sales taxes. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[VWBobby 10+ year member]

I want to like you guys, but there are a lot of socialist and communist views on this topic.

Wealthy people shouldn't be the only people allowed access to health care by the top professionals. Poor people are not entitled to free/reduced cost health care by top paid specialists/experts. If the system is going to work, it needs to be a dual system like what was outlined above. Private insurance companies will compete for lower costs or reduced billing if regulations prevent hiked bill rates (higher bills for those with insurance compared to those without, for the same operations/surgeries). Right now, the BILLING system is not regulated so just about any hospital or doctor can charge whatever they want to the insurance company. Its up to the company or the patient to pay the bill in the long run. If someone comes in crying a sob story about not having money, they get a reduced rate in some cases.

The goverment system would be more like a welfare healthcare system. Not the top doctors, not the top pay rates, but healthcare and "healthy" people none the less. They should be required to repay whatever they borrow against the welfare system once they get back on their feet. If they don't repay, then that will fall right back into a socialist or communist view on healthcare since the taxes are providing the healthcare that wasn't paid for by the welfare recipient. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[CHEMMINS 10+ year member]

The only problem with Canadian health care is wait times. The health care here is paid for by the gov't through taxes. Everyone pays their taxes, everyone gets health care. If I need be referred to a specialist, it is free. I may have to wait in line, but it is what it is. No expense out of my pocket, except what gets taken out in my daily taxes.

It is no different than waiting in line at a restaurant. How much money in my bank does not dictate where I am in the line. I have access to the same doctors that the millionaire does. If I have the money and I don't want to wait to see a specialist, I have the option of going elsewhere where I can pay to be first in line.

There is no difference to me as a person in paying for health care through my taxes, or buying health insurance. The difference is though, that the money goes into the gov't instead of a corporation that is a for profit organization. Therefore, if people do not need to go to the doctor, the surplus monies can be used for other infrastructure needs or allotted to other public services. When the money goes to an insurance company, all it does is line the pockets of shareholders.

 

[CHEMMINS 10+ year member]

No sir, you do not have a ****** clue about Canada. I have relatives that are multi millionaires. I am not poor myself either. I know the health system, and I know they don't get special treatment.

In the US you don't give a crap about anyone or anything but you. Everyone there is an individual, not a group. That's prolly why you also have war vets who stand in the streets with signs asking for food.

 

[CHEMMINS 10+ year member]

Bro, I hate to break it to you, but on this subject, I know more about your situation than you do.
I don't live in the ghetto. I know nothing about people begging in the streets.

Than please inform me of my situation. I have no idea where I am at or what I am doing.

 

[VWBobby 10+ year member]

Wow, the Canadian health care system is far from where we want to be. I agree that socialists definitely don't believe in freedom and choice. It goes outside of the group. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif The Us is supposed to be united and supposed to "patriotic". Yet, I agree with the man above. You definitely see a lot of Vets out of the streets. You also see a lot of our boys coming back from this war with mental problems from the training they received and missions they were in. That's another example of our health care system at work.

I don't live in the ghetto. I know nothing about people begging in the streets.

That is not an excuse. Any major city has beggars on the street corners. A lot of them are Vietnam and even Iraq war veterans.