Ugh this is obnixious

[bimma85 5,000+ posts]

I disagree with the above. SOme manufacturers are both profitable and price thier products out of "joe everybody's" reach. Porshe/Ferrari does it with cars, Rolex and Cartier with watches, Berkshire Hathaway in the financial industry. I have a hard time believing any of the above companies will go down the tubes any time soon.

what the hell are you talking about? A special few people in the world can afford products like those, are you saying all amps should cost 3 times what they are worth? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif as for your hate against honda, nissan and toyota... I dont get that either.

 

[harveyy 10+ year member]

Some of you need to get your head out of the "stone age" and get with the 21st century. It's called globalization, it's a 2 way street. American companies are buying and have bought tons of companies in Canada, Latin America and around the world with profits to be taken back to the States.

You can thank companies like Honda, Toyota, BMW etc.. for forcing domestic manufacturers to improve their cars. Without competiton, the big 3 would still be producing shitty vehicles. If they would have cared about the consumer to begin with, and produced quality cars, they'd still be the big 3. It's only when forced by competition have they significantly improved their product. Otherwise, they could give a "rats ***" about you.

Domestic? this is a thing of the past ie. Daimler-Chrysler. Furthermore, it took a transported German to revive Chrysler. And now, they don't want to be associated as part of the big 3 anymore, but considered along with European and Japanese manufacturers.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Its Honda's fault America's economy is down the shitter. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
Maybe the American car manufacturers should learn how to stop cutting corners and make some real cars.

Just look at how much detail the Germans and Japanese put into the interior on even their entry-level cars. Then look at your average American car, absolutely disgusting on the inside... cheap plastic.

I'm sorry, what nationality are you?? Get out.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Bike,The problem is that eventhough Honda builds cars over here, they still own assects or market share that once was American. By purchasing a Honda vechile you are feeding a machine that is buying up US companies and ideas. Something not good for the US economy in the end. I once saw a History channel special about how Japanese big business is buying up so much US industry.

GM owning plants in Canada and Mexico is great for GM, an american company. GM pays less for the same work so GM saves mroe money. Money is then sent into the Canadian and Mexican economy, but it's minimal. GM also gains entry into markets in Mexico and Canada, by placing their plants closer to dealerships in these countries. In the end, money always flows back to america. Now, this does remove jobs from US citizens, so in the end it may or may not be good for the US economy. I'm not qualified to make the comparison.

I think this is what shoudl be said.

Thank you. I can't respond any better to Bike any better than Jon did.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Would you call Ford trucks built in the mid '90s "bacon-burners" because they were built in Canada? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Toyota isn't leading the world vehicle production market because they got lucky...and GM didn't find itself in its current dire straits in a matter of days. Some business models work better than others.

Refer to JonJT's post for the answer to that. I'm not arguing where vehicles are made. I'm simply arguing where the profit goes. Sadly, it leaves the US further hurting our ever slumping economy. I don't know what you drive but I always have and always will drive a car made by an American company.

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

Well, I have a couple of comments, first the reason you don't see a lot of '70's Hondas running around is because the Civic arrived in the US in 1972 and did not reach 1 million units of production until 1976. The Accord was released in 1976 (CVCC) and reached 1 million unit production in 1980.By '87 Civic production was at 5 million units, and the Accord coupe was US made and being exported to Japan. Honda has been here and doing things here other manufacturers are just now trying to copy because thier buisness model works. There are not a lot of 70's Hondas running around because there weren't many of them to begin with (compared to the big 3) and it is widely known the safety mechanisim in a collision is crumple zones, as with any unibody car, and they didn't have the mass to survive collisions like a Suburban or a Duster. I like American muscle cars but you can't blame a company like Honda or Toyota for the fact America's economy is struggling and American cars **** right now, and have for 30 years with a few exeptions. Think how bad the economy would be going without all the employment of all the "import" dealerships, manufacturing plants, parts warehouses, etc...and if everyone drove a huge inefficient vehicle like the big 3 keep peddling........

- You don't think you are a bit biased being from Michigan do you? Come out west sometime....there are FAR less domestics running around out here

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

so you don't buy any products made overseas then? everything you own is made here by a domestic company? bullshit....shut up //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. Do you have any idea how many mexicans work here and send all the money back to mexico? We had better get rid of all of them too, huh?Why exactly in an accord a rice burner? It's a hell of a lot cheaper in the long run than owning many many american cars. Our economy is foked up because people drive hondas? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Wow, you have NO clue of what you're talking about. If you knew how to read you would see that I said this "I will buy domestic vehicles always and anything else domestic I possibly can. " That means I will do what I can to buy American made stuff as much as I possibly can. And since you can't understand why I call a Fuckord a rice burner I will explain it to you. Its a Japanese car. Does that clear it up or should I go on to tell you that Japanese people eat alot of rice to make it even easier to explain. Do some research or learn how to read before you go spouting off.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Well, I have a couple of comments, first the reason you don't see a lot of '70's Hondas running around is because the Civic arrived in the US in 1972 and did not reach 1 million units of production until 1976. The Accord was released in 1976 (CVCC) and reached 1 million unit production in 1980.By '87 Civic production was at 5 million units, and the Accord coupe was US made and being exported to Japan. Honda has been here and doing things here other manufacturers are just now trying to copy because thier buisness model works. There are not a lot of 70's Hondas running around because there weren't many of them to begin with (compared to the big 3) and it is widely known the safety mechanisim in a collision is crumple zones, as with any unibody car, and they didn't have the mass to survive collisions like a Suburban or a Duster. I like American muscle cars but you can't blame a company like Honda or Toyota for the fact America's economy is struggling and American cars **** right now, and have for 30 years with a few exeptions. Think how bad the economy would be going without all the employment of all the "import" dealerships, manufacturing plants, parts warehouses, etc...and if everyone drove a huge inefficient vehicle like the big 3 keep peddling........
- You don't think you are a bit biased being from Michigan do you? Come out west sometime....there are FAR less domestics running around out here

I'm sorry man....................sorry you're a sellout and I still happen to like this country.

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

Because I like affordable, reliable, fuel efficient cars I am a sellout that hates this country? Dude you have been drinking your own bathwater for too long! You, and most of the midwest like American cars. Fine, but don't act like Honda and Toyota, and all the other "imports" are responsible for the economy's downturn, it's intellectually dishonest, and quite sad. and BTW I spent 6 years in the Marines serving this country, what have you done? don't act like you are somehow superior bucause a Buick gives you a hard-on.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Because I like affordable, reliable, fuel efficient cars I am a sellout that hates this country? Dude you have been drinking your own bathwater for too long! You, and most of the midwest like American cars. Fine, but don't act like Honda and Toyota, and all the other "imports" are responsible for the economy's downturn, it's intellectually dishonest, and quite sad. and BTW I spent 6 years in the Marines serving this country, what have you done? don't act like you are somehow superior bucause a Buick gives you a hard-on.

Whatever. I served 6 years in the military as well. I'm just saying that all I can do is what I can do. I just hate when people know that Honda and all foreign cars are a part of our country's failing economy and you still sit there and brag up Honda which means you obviously don't give a flying fuck and therefore serving in the military doesn't mean a **** thing. We all need to wake up or we'll have nothing left one of these days. But atleast I can look in the mirror and be able to say that I did what I could do and see my ugly face.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

^^did nobody read this post??^^

That post is a dream. That is theoretically how it is supposed to be but I fail to see where it is paying off at all.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

that post is reality.

We can all dream but I just don't see it from where I'm sitting. More and more jobs are being lost to this "globalization" and I fail to see how this helps us.

 

[bimma85 5,000+ posts]

Wow, you have NO clue of what you're talking about. If you knew how to read you would see that I said this "I will buy domestic vehicles always and anything else domestic I possibly can. " That means I will do what I can to buy American made stuff as much as I possibly can. And since you can't understand why I call a Fuckord a rice burner I will explain it to you. Its a Japanese car. Does that clear it up or should I go on to tell you that Japanese people eat alot of rice to make it even easier to explain. Do some research or learn how to read before you go spouting off.

no need to go all internet tough guy on me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. I think your thoughts on what a ricer is, are much different that many other's thoughts. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but doesn't honda have plants here? Doesn't honda pay american workers? Doesn't honda give us much better gas milage than most domestics? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif I'm not a car buff at all, I just think your reasoning is retarded. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I would still like to know how american's driving honda's is driving our econic status into the ground //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif So do you not own anything sony, let alone many other companies //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

I think being in Michigan your view is a bit different than mine. We don't have Autoworkers getting laid off in Oregon, and parts factories and steel mills getting shut down out here, so I can understand your bitterness- but America is responsible for america's problems, not Japan or anyone else. Americans are the boneheads who don't give a shit about fuel economy and then want to ***** when gas costs $2.50 a gallon (regular) and that is still half what the rest of the world pays for gasoline, as they hop in thier Expedition/Suburban/H2/Magnum w-Hemi. Then Americans want to bitch when we send troops to the middle east. As long as our society is dependant on oil we have to deal with the politicts of the nations in the middle east, and those politics are handled with guns and bombs currently. I think America is asleep at the wheel and living in this dream world that we can get back to 1985- it's not going to happen- American needs to move forward, not be the resource hogging giant we have been for so long. America needs to wake the fuck up. And to say my service doesn't count because I think an economical car is a better coice than a gas guzzler domestic is rediculous and you know it.

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but doesn't honda have plants here? Doesn't honda pay american workers?

Honda's main manufacturing plant is in Ohio, and American Honda's headquarters/engineering dept. is in Torrence CA. Fewer and fewer Hondas are made in Japan and shipped here anymore. Actually quit a few are made in Europe now (CRV's, the previous Civic Si like mine) Honda pays a lot of people, who then put thier salaries back into the local economy. And if you think the government isn't getting thier taste you are kidding yourself- Honda is likely paying more than the "Domestics" to the government, and when is the last time Toyota or Honda had to go looking for subsidies from the government, or went crying about CAFE standards? They just build better cars to meet standards rather than ignoring new emmissions standards and then saying they are too tough to meet. I am sure they are tough to meet with a big-block v-8 thru12 in a gigantic sport utility a soccer mom will drive to the mall and the store, when she could do the same thing in a fuel efficient hybrid or a smaller midsize sedan regardless of make.