Ugh this is obnixious

[Gnfanatic 10+ year member]

THis is the reason I bought Zed Audio amps. Not only does he know his stuff but they are superb quality, made in US and and owned by him. By the way most Honda's are amde here BUT the money goes BACK there. I have always bought American in the past and will do in the future when possible, thats how I am.

Ralph

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

Honda being one of the best cars out there is YOUR opinion.........an opinion I do not share. Its a rice burner and I would NEVER own one.

Just because you don't like them and wouldn't own one doesn't mean they aren't an annual market segment leader and their cars routinely have the highest value-holding resale prices you can find. Are you saying GM, Ford, or Dodge/Chrysler currently produces a better car than the Accord? No way man. It's fine that you dislike Hondas but you can't deny the quality vehicles they produce.

 

[flakko 5,000+ posts]

new alpine amps are great in terms of SQ but kinda lakc in terms of how loud they go, some of the 02 04 and 04 fosgates are awsome, i even know a place that still stocks 02 03 04 alpine, fosgate, orion, jl, nakamichi and companies of that nature i could set up something for you at a reasonable price as my friends dad owns it

^^^ all of those companies listed (dunno about nakamichi) are exactly what johnJT mentioned. arbitrary buildhouse, cookie cutter design.

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

I totally disagree that amps have gotten better.

then we can agree to disagree

They are all using cheap *** surface mount technology and that does NOT match the "thru hole" technology of the past no matter what you think. I will say that technology as a whole has gotten better since thats unstoppable. But "build quality" is in the shitter for the most part.

is this a few amps you speak of, or have you looked at every board, on every amp, by every manufacture? Not poking, just curious why your total assumption is this biased for your reasonings.

As far as consumers not wanting to pay high retail prices goes: speak for yourself. I for one wouldn't mind paying top dollar for something if I knew it was of top quality.

as a manufacture, we get all this feedback from each dealer, as what they see from consumers these days..how many people do you see walk into car stereo stores, or even new car dealers and say Give me the best you have, I'll pay for it, because it's the best you have....ever haggle on a price? Ever? If so, then you can admit your part of the majority.

The reason the mfgs can get away with charging less is because the merchandise is worth less. Why? Lower quality parts used in the manufacturing of the amps.

you have to be price competitive in any market, but you still have to make it as best you can, yet affordable to everyone, or you will become extinct..period.

No such thing as a free lunch and car audio is NO exception to this rule I'm afraid. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to thats totally up to you but I know the truth.

and your more than welcome to your opinion on how the world GNP is based, but facts and reality have me convinced likewise. No harm intended, so please do not take me personally as an attack, just basing my opinion as well..

 

[JonJT 10+ year member]

The ODR stuff is better than the P9 in my opinion and its price tag is huge in comparison however. The P9 was made for the US. There is a Carrozeria version of this though. It was basically made to take the place of the ODR system in the US. Not enough people demand the ODR stuff anymore so they made something that is cheaper for here so it would sell. The P9 follows the same basic idea as the ODR but just isn't of the same quality.

That's a shame, eventhough I would not be able to afford an ODR headunit.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

THis is the reason I bought Zed Audio amps. Not only does he know his stuff but they are superb quality, made in US and and owned by him. By the way most Honda's are amde here BUT the money goes BACK there. I have always bought American in the past and will do in the future when possible, thats how I am.

Ralph

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Thank you Ralph. That was what I was basically getting at.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Just because you don't like them and wouldn't own one doesn't mean they aren't an annual market segment leader and their cars routinely have the highest value-holding resale prices you can find. Are you saying GM, Ford, or Dodge/Chrysler currently produces a better car than the Accord? No way man. It's fine that you dislike Hondas but you can't deny the quality vehicles they produce.

Whether I deny or agree about Honda's quality record is irrelevant here. What I am getting at is that its a freakin rice burner and part of the reason why our economy is sooooo ****ed up. I will buy domestic vehicles always and anything else domestic I possibly can. Just like Ralph (Gnfanatic) said earlier they may be building and assembling them here and thats fine that the UAW gets some of the work but the bottom line is that most of the money that Honda makes off the cars goes back with them in Japan and STAYS there. I'm not going to be a part of that.......not when I can help it by buying an American car.

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

So what do all those workers in Ohio get paid with- yen that can only be spent in Japan? Do some of the profits go back to Japan? absolutely, but given GM's are largely assembled in Canada and Mexico, I have a hard time calling them "domestics" when Hondas and Toyotas are actually built in the US. Welcome to a global economy. So in your narrow minded view, we should all drive gas guzzling cars that break down into heaps at 100k? You are welcome to your opinion, but you may consider other points of view, does the US get a raw deal in a lot of trade agreements? sure, blame the Polititians for that, they should hammer out better deals.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Would you call Ford trucks built in the mid '90s "bacon-burners" because they were built in Canada? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Toyota isn't leading the world vehicle production market because they got lucky...and GM didn't find itself in its current dire straits in a matter of days. Some business models work better than others.

They are all using cheap *** surface mount technology and that does NOT match the "thru hole" technology of the past no matter what you think. I will say that technology as a whole has gotten better since thats unstoppable. But "build quality" is in the shitter for the most part.

I agree that SMT is a PITA to work with, because you need a magnifying glass and tweezers to even remove a part, and the increasing minaturization means we can't do as much repair work as we used to be able to in the past. But just because it's SMT doesn't mean the quality went down...point-to-point circuits done on a breadboard have their place, but certainly not for everything //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

Whether I deny or agree about Honda's quality record is irrelevant here. What I am getting at is that its a freakin rice burner and part of the reason why our economy is sooooo ****ed up. I will buy domestic vehicles always and anything else domestic I possibly can. Just like Ralph (Gnfanatic) said earlier they may be building and assembling them here and thats fine that the UAW gets some of the work but the bottom line is that most of the money that Honda makes off the cars goes back with them in Japan and STAYS there. I'm not going to be a part of that.......not when I can help it by buying an American car.

Its Honda's fault America's economy is down the shitter. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Maybe the American car manufacturers should learn how to stop cutting corners and make some real cars.

Just look at how much detail the Germans and Japanese put into the interior on even their entry-level cars. Then look at your average American car, absolutely disgusting on the inside... cheap plastic.

 

[JonJT 10+ year member]

So what do all those workers in Ohio get paid with- yen that can only be spent in Japan? Do some of the profits go back to Japan? absolutely, but given GM's are largely assembled in Canada and Mexico, I have a hard time calling them "domestics" when Hondas and Toyotas are actually built in the US. Welcome to a global economy. So in your narrow minded view, we should all drive gas guzzling cars that break down into heaps at 100k? You are welcome to your opinion, but you may consider other points of view, does the US get a raw deal in a lot of trade agreements? sure, blame the Polititians for that, they should hammer out better deals.

Bike,

The problem is that eventhough Honda builds cars over here, they still own assects or market share that once was American. By purchasing a Honda vechile you are feeding a machine that is buying up US companies and ideas. Something not good for the US economy in the end. I once saw a History channel special about how Japanese big business is buying up so much US industry.

GM owning plants in Canada and Mexico is great for GM, an american company. GM pays less for the same work so GM saves mroe money. Money is then sent into the Canadian and Mexican economy, but it's minimal. GM also gains entry into markets in Mexico and Canada, by placing their plants closer to dealerships in these countries. In the end, money always flows back to america. Now, this does remove jobs from US citizens, so in the end it may or may not be good for the US economy. I'm not qualified to make the comparison.

I think this is what shoudl be said.

 

[JonJT 10+ year member]

Also, becoming isolationist, like in the twenties and early thirties and placing high tarrifs and taxes on foreign products and businesses is a bad idea. Look what happened then and the US was not nearly as powerful or influencial as it is now. Global business is the future, isolating yourself from it is bad.

Now I know I added fuel to the fire, but getting back on topic should be priority now. Haha. I'd love to open a thread in the main forum to talk about this though.

 

[Fosgate Forever 10+ year member]

^^^ all of those companies listed (dunno about nakamichi) are exactly what johnJT mentioned. arbitrary buildhouse, cookie cutter design.

no i wasnt saying they werent but my friends dad shop still stock all that stuff bnib from the older years, such as the 9835, 7897 and so i know there a few people that would be very interested in that

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

"We're consumers. We're by-products of a lifestyle obsession. Murder, crime, poverty -- these things don't concern me. What concerns me is celebrity magazines, televeision with five hundred channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra...The things you won, end up owning you!" ~ Tyler Durden

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

well, remember, it's where and 'how' an amp is DESIGNED is what will determine it's power and features. Just because of the buildhouse location should not...there are plenty of amps out now that will either do a ton of power, or hae functionality to do wonderful things.

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