typer r vs. solo baric !!!help

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

he did a 150 at norris's show without really tweaking in anything. was a good score might not be a world beater but was better than respectable for what it was imo. for the power he had it it was impressive. i also know of solobaric cars in street classes doing over that on the dash so to say either one cant do good numbers is like saying a mustang isnt fast because of a camaro ...... and were u at nopi polecat?

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

he did a 150 at norris's show without really tweaking in anything. was a good score might not be a world beater but was better than respectable for what it was imo. for the power he had it it was impressive. i also know of solobaric cars in street classes doing over that on the dash so to say either one cant do good numbers is like saying a mustang isnt fast because of a camaro ...... and were u at nopi polecat?

No, I had an event in Texas to do...I heard attendance was down as far as competitors... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

i think timeing of the event with the enevidable rebuilding for finals had alot to do with that still had alot of comp cars just spread out over 3 orgs lol

 

[hdave 10+ year member]

hey

i got my alpine type r 12 (d4) in a 2.8 NET box @ 32Hz w/ 33 sq in port area.

test powered it off a kicker kx 850.2 (910rms) so it was getting about 450rms.

all i can say is that the rumours about this thing are true.

it got pretty **** loud off that power (much louder than my atlas 12's off 650 rms).

i cant wait to get a real amp for this thing and give it some proper power (600 - 800 rms @ 2 ohms)

ps. im looking for an amp that does 600 - 800 rms @ 2 ohms. i prefer a 1 ohm stable amp but it doesnt matter much.

GO ALPINE TYPE R!

in comparison to the L7... in general, i think the type r will have better SQ and the L7 will have better SPL, that is all dependant on the install, but that what i think is the case most of the time.

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

also, PS, your truck doing 160's is totally diffrent that dbDrag rules, correct me if I'm wrong, totally different that what most people I wouild belive are thinking, as most go of Dbdrag rules...

He does pretty good numbers on the dash sealed up, i cant remember exactly what, but its past 150. With only one orion 2500d. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

dB drag just costs too much **** money for me to be competitive. Thats what i like about MECA so much. I'm fairly competitive in all my classes and I only have ~$700 invested in subs AND amps. In dB drag i'd be getting my *** kicked with that much equipement.

Come to MECA finals and see our whole team wang it out.

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

I would imagine MECA is funner for most people, it's just not as big as an organization as ISACA, USACi and dbDrag. And I'm not knocking his scores at all, all my point as that a 160 for MECA rules is totally diffrent that dbDrag, USACi rules. So a 160 in MECA, is different than a 160 dbDrag rules.

Never my intentions to knock anyone for what scores they are doing....I would never, ever do that. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

By all means, it's a sport, and as long as everyone is having fun doing it, I, or anyone should be pleased. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Spkrman]

Bottoming out in a larger ported box, true, power decreases, anyone knows that. Problem is, most street kids, or compeitors will exceed the power recommendations done by the manufacture in comps to win. Any sub can make or break it, depending on power, enclosure. 'If' it bottoms out, does not mean the Type R is a betetr driver at 25hz. By the way, the Type R from Alpines states (down to 25hz and L7 20hz) But the L7, in our own testing, //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif can play well into the 30's hz range. My solo X was ported to 32hz with 2660 watts daily, so I know this to work flawless.If the Type R works for you, bigo...you have found your dream woofer. To many other in street classes, the L7 works best for them. Now if you want to bring your loud car to dbDrag finals and see how it stacks, well, guess I'll see ya in a couple weeks..................

also, PS, your truck doing 160's is totally diffrent that dbDrag rules, correct me if I'm wrong, totally different that what most people I wouild belive are thinking, as most go of Dbdrag rules...

Excuse me for not having a CRX so I can build up to the B pillar and still be in street... but my setup would without question break a 50 in street class, and then some. Is that enough? nope... but how many people do that number in the 45hz range?

The type R is louder at a lower note, I'm not sure what more to say there. You see l7 in drag becuase it makes a great fart woof... the R just breaks at a fart note.

How many pair of l7 10's... or 12's for that matter... have broken a 50 below 30hz? I've done it with my R's, 30hz+ is a 50 at the headrest, breaks a 50 down to 28hz... most likely lower but thats definitely getting toward the mechanical limits. At that point, the l7's former is smashed to bits...

You can't say the L7 is a better driver for a specific application without trying both for that application.

I would imagine MECA is funner for most people, it's just not as big as an organization as ISACA, USACi and dbDrag. And I'm not knocking his scores at all, all my point as that a 160 for MECA rules is totally diffrent that dbDrag, USACi rules. So a 160 in MECA, is different than a 160 dbDrag rules.
Never my intentions to knock anyone for what scores they are doing....I would never, ever do that. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

By all means, it's a sport, and as long as everyone is having fun doing it, I, or anyone should be pleased. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

its not setup for the dash?

and as a matter of fact... MECA is actually much bigger than dbdrag in the US... you just get bigger competitors in drag.

IASCA is puny at this point.

For the most part, its regional... and around here not enough drag, iasca, or usaci shows to get to finals unless you want to do major traveling.

Even if there was a drag show every weekend 10 mins from the house, I'd still be doing MECA - the format is just THAT much better.

 

[Spkrman]

He does pretty good numbers on the dash sealed up, i cant remember exactly what, but its past 150. With only one orion 2500d. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
dB drag just costs too much **** money for me to be competitive. Thats what i like about MECA so much. I'm fairly competitive in all my classes and I only have ~$700 invested in subs AND amps. In dB drag i'd be getting my *** kicked with that much equipement.

Come to MECA finals and see our whole team wang it out.

louder at the head than the dash.

why?

because thats what its setup to do //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

Excuse me for not having a CRX

last year, a small SUV won street class....not all cars are CRX's

so I can build up to the B pillar and still be in street... but my setup would without question break a 50 in street class, and then some. Is that enough? nope... but how many people do that number in the 45hz range?

depends on the cars note...you keep stating louder at X freq....but X freq looses comps...if you cars note varies

The type R is louder at a lower note, I'm not sure what more to say there.

then I'll have to say all my years experience, I have to diagree...it depends on the install, and power, and port tuning, if ported

You see l7 in drag becuase it makes a great fart woof... the R just breaks at a fart note.

won 3 years outta four at Grand Master in SQ in USACI, and won many years at ISACA...oh wait, you don't do those...you do drive by shows...explains...

How many pair of l7 10's... or 12's for that matter... have broken a 50 below 30hz?

nationwide....how many Type R's have done it.?......bet ya a $1 you can't say either...your point?

I've done it with my R's, 30hz+ is a 50 at the headrest, breaks a 50 down to 28hz... most likely lower but thats definitely getting toward the mechanical limits. At that point, the l7's former is smashed to bits...

so your cars 'magical' not can vary doing 150's from 45- down to 28hz??? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

You can't say the L7 is a better driver for a specific application without trying both for that application.

my point exactly, you started this from the git-go stating it was a fart woofer, when I have tons of facts to back up my styatement, it's not....

and as a matter of fact... MECA is actually much bigger than dbdrag in the US... you just get bigger competitors in drag.

don't know, most car audio manufactures don't recongnize MECA as well yet......

IASCA is puny at this point.

I agree

For the most part, its regional... and around here not enough drag, iasca, or usaci shows to get to finals unless you want to do major traveling.
Even if there was a drag show every weekend 10 mins from the house, I'd still be doing MECA - the format is just THAT much better.

and to some, dbDrag, USACI, IASCA suit 'their' needs better.......

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

I didn't know you could run 16v in street //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

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[Spkrman]

last year, a small SUV won street class....not all cars are CRX's

Won street A, a bravada - I remember watching the run.

The loudest street cars in the world are teeny 2 door hatches, and there is a reason for that.

depends on the cars note...you keep stating louder at X freq....but X freq looses comps...if you cars note varies

that it does... and a type R won't peak at the higher note you generally need with SPL - be it in the kick or on the dash. This is why you won't see it at drag finals anytime soon.

You will, however, see it placing at MECA finals //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

then I'll have to say all my years experience, I have to diagree...it depends on the install, and power, and port tuning, if ported

Properly installed type R below 45hz, properly installed L7... the l7 will be approx as loud up until the 1000 watt range... then the l7 craps out while the type r keeps getting louder.

won 3 years outta four at Grand Master in SQ in USACI, and won many years at ISACA...oh wait, you don't do those...you do drive by shows...explains...

I do MECA, much more fun.

Be more specific about what won 3 years out of 4 in grand master SQ //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Were the subs on at the time?

nationwide....how many Type R's have done it.?......bet ya a $1 you can't say either...your point?

so your cars 'magical' not can vary doing 150's from 45- down to 28hz??? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

magical note I assume?

I'm not sure exactly what your talking about here...? My peak is 41hz, yet it still breaks a 50 down into the 20's, and into the high 40's.

my point exactly, you started this from the git-go stating it was a fart woofer, when I have tons of facts to back up my styatement, it's not....

I didnt' say it "was" a fart woofer... I said it was a better fart woofer than the type R, the type R is louder at a lower note. Thats not the say the L7 can't "play" low, the R just does it much better.

I must ask... have you done thorough testing with the type R?

don't know, most car audio manufactures don't recongnize MECA as well yet......

Doesn't mean it doesnt exist, or that it is any less important.

The only ones who don't like MECA are the ones who have never competed in MECA... its a hell of alot more fun than any other org... and IMO the classification system is a giant step ahead of the pack.

and to some, dbDrag, USACI, IASCA suit 'their' needs better.......

and IMO the other formats are just flat out boring... drag is nice when you go head to head, but thats it... no reality, no driveby, no SQ. MECA just offers so much more... and the AS classes are great for the new guys.

 

[Spkrman]

I didn't know you could run 16v in street //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif
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did the drag show with my 12v system.

16v is ok in MECA M class, which is what I'm doing.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

did the drag show with my 12v system.

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[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

Won street A, a bravada - I remember watching the run.
The loudest street cars in the world are teeny 2 door hatches, and there is a reason for that.

Ford Explorer, I was there.

that it does... and a type R won't peak at the higher note you generally need with SPL - be it in the kick or on the dash. This is why you won't see it at drag finals anytime soon.
You will, however, see it placing at MECA finals //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

so your saying the Type R is great louder as long as you play at 28-32hz at 1000 watts??

Properly installed type R below 45hz, properly installed L7... the l7 will be approx as loud up until the 1000 watt range... then the l7 craps out while the type r keeps getting louder.

so now it's a power thing, not a frequency???

Be more specific about what won 3 years out of 4 in grand master SQ //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Were the subs on at the time?

SEARCH...history....

magical note I assume?

note

I'm not sure exactly what your talking about here...? My peak is 41hz, yet it still breaks a 50 down into the 20's, and into the high 40's.

so if you can do a 150, from 20's to 40's in MECA, that's a great SPL vehicle you have there...most have to find the 'magical' note' desired range.....

I didnt' say it "was" a fart woofer... I said it was a better fart woofer than the type R, the type R is louder at a lower note.

I don't see much of a difference.......

Thats not the say the L7 can't "play" low, the R just does it much better.

still don't understand this, the L7 is far capiable of playing in the 25-up hz range....

Doesn't mean it doesnt exist, or that it is any less important.

didn't say it didn't exsist did I?? I said less overall as far as competitors, and loyal manufacture support.

The only ones who don't like MECA are the ones who have never competed in MECA... its a hell of alot more fun than any other org... and IMO the classification system is a giant step ahead of the pack.

and your entitled to 'your' opinion, not all others will agree with you.....

and IMO the other formats are just flat out boring... drag is nice when you go head to head, but thats it... no reality, no driveby, no SQ. MECA just offers so much more... and the AS classes are great for the new guys.

SQ is getting pretty much out, look at ISACA, drive by has too many variables, and why I guess would be my reasoning...and reality...TL sensors in all vehicles, is about as 'reality' as you can get and way more accurate testing than kick, and driveby.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you Mark, you have your opinions, and so do I ...you can't prove anything to me, and likewise. I have found in the many years doing this, you can't always try to......you like your org, I like the others most other manufactures support, since I am a manufacture. But my point about bringing up what you state how loud you are, needed to be clarified that it was indeed MECA, no dbDrag which most know. There is a difference in 150's and 160's in both orgs.What may work for you in your vehicle is great, with your car, your interior, your charging system, your amps, you wire, you, etc,etc...doesn't mean box X or woofer X will always be the best in each application.

 

[Spkrman]

duno what to say to ya man... the type R is just flat out a better low note woofer... How you can say otherwise without actual testing... well.. you are with kicker.

If l7's were louder, I'd be using them. I have no incentive to make these statements beyond my actual testing.

my vehicle has its peak, but it does break a 150 over a very broad range... makes for an interesting music experience.. where and how loud it is, find out at meca finals //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif.

Street A was won with a bravada last year, not an explorer. That I know for sure.

MECA reality puts the mic at the headrest... btw. Thats a much better guage of how loud your system is.... Your not familiar with MECA yet you say the others are better? hrm...