Two questions. Modeling clay. And why do my coaxials have more bass than my comps?

[reed dollaz 10+ year member]

I read somewhere about using clay when installing components. I got new door panels and am installing them correctly, no more speakers out the outside of the door. Looked tacky. Well... I didnt makean MDF ring, I used the plastic ring that came with my components to mount my speakers to my door but theres a little gap. Would using this clay help? Or since theres holes all throught the door panel does it even matter?

Second, I have some cheap (but not bad) 6.5" Eclipse coaxials in my rear that I replaced some 6x9's with. They have bass. My 6.5" Eclipse component driver has none. Ive messed with the LPF. Doesnt help. Can anyone tell me why a set of 75.00 coaxials have more bass than a 170.00 set of components?

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[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

If you arent using wood rings than I doubt the clay will do much.

As for the different amounts of bass out of the speakers I cant really help ya on that one.

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

I read somewhere about using clay when installing components. I got new door panels and am installing them correctly, no more speakers out the outside of the door. Looked tacky. Well... I didnt makean MDF ring, I used the plastic ring that came with my components to mount my speakers to my door but theres a little gap. Would using this clay help? Or since theres holes all throught the door panel does it even matter?
Second, I have some cheap (but not bad) 6.5" Eclipse coaxials in my rear that I replaced some 6x9's with. They have bass. My 6.5" Eclipse component driver has none. Ive messed with the LPF. Doesnt help. Can anyone tell me why a set of 75.00 coaxials have more bass than a 170.00 set of components?

yeah make wooden baffles w/ some modelling clay. The whole point of it is to make the surroudning area stronger, so that the energy is sent to you instead of into the metal door.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Can anyone tell me why a set of 75.00 coaxials have more bass than a 170.00 set of components?

Installation.

Lack of any decoupling to the panel, and lots of holes in it are killing your midbass response.

Get a baffle of 3/4" MDF on there, two or three layers of deadening on the panels, and Plexi sealing up all the holes, and you'll notice an improvement //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Trey803 5,000+ posts]

The coaxials may have a high-pass crossover point set lower than your components, however the "bass" you are seeking from 6.5" components should be mid-bass. Your installation can make or break the quality and fill of the mid-bass frequencies.

 

[Beerdrnkr 5,000+ posts]

I'm guessing the coax's are running full range and the comps are hi pass.

 

[dirthog 10+ year member]

I have one layer of deadening on the inner and outer door. I still need to seal the door. I recently made mdf speaker rings and put modeling clay behind and around it. http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/dirthogg/mdfringclay.jpg

Installing the mdf ring and using clay was a big improvement. Every aspect was improved from doing this and I definitely recommend it. Before I was using the plastic mounting bracket that came with my 01 Chrysler sebring. It created a lot of noise and was not even close to being as solid.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

More than likely it is install and location that gives the coaxs more MB response. If you drop the comp driver in the rear I am willing to bet MD response improves. Seal up the vast amount of holes in the door, deaden it, and use some MDF rings. This will bring a lot more MB to your comps as Frosty pointed out.