To the libs who believe obama's policies work

[ahole-ic]

I don't think Michele Bachmann got the memo

What did she say?

 

[Scratchy 10+ year member]

It is a farse that farm subsidies and social security are popular with Conservatives. We all know social security is the biggest pyramid scheme ever created, and paying people to not farm/work is far from our core set of values. Becoming educated on a subject before one speaks about it is paramount to one's credibility.

Ok, name ONE person that you know that has rejected them out of principle.

Take a quick guess which states are the most heavily subsidized (include oil, agriculture,extractive industries, etc). Then take a guess as to their popliteal persuasion and leadership.

Then get back to me.

It will surprise you.

As to education, that's rich, it is my business to understand this stuff better than you, and was my field of study.

Chatting with you about these matters is like smacking around a hydrocephalic chihuahua.

The ad Hominem comment was really a favor to prevent you from misusing the term.

You should be thanking me.

 

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What did she say?

Nothing worth remembering!

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

"The presidential election of 1824 is notable for being the only election since the passage of the Twelfth Amendment to have been decided by the House of Representatives in accordance with its provision to turn over the choice of the president to the House when no candidate secures a majority of the electoral vote. It was also the only presidential election in which the candidate who received the most electoral votes did not become president (since Andrew Jackson's plurality of electoral votes was insufficient to prevent the election from being thrown into the House of Representatives). The election of 1824 is often claimed to be the first in which the successful presidential candidate did not win the popular vote, however it is not always pointed out that the popular vote was not measured nationwide at the time. Several states did not permit a popular vote, but rather allowed the state legislature to choose their electors."
The electors of the individual states did not vote against the popular vote in their states in the election of 1824. Neither candidate received enough electoral votes to be declared the winner so as per the 12th amendment the election was decided by the House of Reps.

This election was not decided by electors voting against their states will either. There were three states that were in dispute like Florida in the 2000 election. When the three disputed races were all declared wins for Hayes, the electoral votes for those three states went to Hayes giving him the win. You could argue the systems put in place to handle close elections are inadequate, and gave the win to the wrong man, but the electoral college functioned exactly as it was designed. There were no rogue electors changing the outcome.

No rogue electors in this election either, just a case of electoral college working as designed.

The fact is the President was never meant to be a direct representative of the people, the President was intended to be a representative of the states. The electoral college helps keep a balance of power between heavily populated states and sparsely populated states. The interests of California and New York are not necessarily the same as Montana and South Dakota, if you remove the electoral college you will in effect have a president that represents the interests of the 4-5 most populous states and ignores the interests of the rest of the nation. That's the tyranny of the majority.

Your examples while interesting don't expose any flaw in the electoral college, to they contrary the just demonstrate the system working as designed.

wow, to be honest you just changed my opinion of the electoral college a bit, I always thought it was a stupid idea but your explanation is rather good...I was kind of young back in 2000 so mind explaining what exactly happened then? I thought Florida's electoral college went against it's popular vote?

 

[globalminds_ent 10+ year member]

she took farm subsidies millions of dollars worth of them.

 

[ahole-ic]

Ok, name ONE person that you know that has rejected them out of principle. Take a quick guess which states are the most heavily subsidized (include oil, agriculture,extractive industries, etc). Then take a guess as to their popliteal persuasion and leadership.

Then get back to me.

It will surprise you.

So in your opinion, people in favor of privatized social security shouldn't receive the current social security that they paid into on principal? On principal they support the politician that will change it to what they want, not simply take a stand that nobody will notice. You are missing the point.

As to education, that's rich, it is my business to understand this stuff better than you, and was my field of study.

What was mine? What do I do for a living? You show your true colors making such an ignorant assumption. Don't act like you have some credibility just because you claim to be something. Your comments prove that you know very little. Nobody would fall for this.

Chatting with you about these matters is like smacking around a hydrocephalic chihuahua.

You just can't talk with any substance. You MUST attempt to put people down for your lack thereof.

The ad Hominem comment was really a favor to prevent you from misusing the term.

You should be thanking me.

No, please try to pay attention. I asked you to cite an example of me misusing it. It's apparent that a lot goes over your head but really try to read for understanding on this one and respond to it.

Nothing worth remembering!

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Scratchy 10+ year member]

she took farm subsidies millions of dollars worth of them.

As does pretty much 100% of who they are offered to.

Subsidies don't just mean leaving fields fallow, it goes deeeep into how all of these industries are capable of being competitive.

"some" folks here have absolutely no clue of market dynamics aside from drivel gleaned off of FOX

 

[Scratchy 10+ year member]

You know the old saying about when you can't tell who the biggest fool in the room is?

 

[MANTI5 10+ year member]

"You just can't talk with any substance. You MUST attempt to put people down for your lack thereof." Oh man! The irony is strong with this one.

 

[ahole-ic]

As does pretty much 100% of who they are offered to. Subsidies don't just mean leaving fields fallow, it goes deeeep into how all of these industries are capable of being competitive.

"some" folks here have absolutely no clue of market dynamics aside from drivel gleaned off of FOX

It seems like your source is the huffing and puffington post. Bachmann explained it pretty well. It was her father in laws'. She and her husband took possession of it after he died and it was partly her husbands when his father got dimentia. That is a far cry from Michele and her husband wringing their hands as the federal subsidies roll in.

 

[ahole-ic]

"You just can't talk with any substance. You MUST attempt to put people down for your lack thereof." Oh man! The irony is strong with this one.

How so?

 

[MANTI5 10+ year member]

How so?

Don't worry, everyone else knows.

 

[Scratchy 10+ year member]

How so?

It can be argued that even your self awareness lacks awareness.

Now THAT, my friend, is how you assert an insult without directly being insulting. I assume that you are a stranger to the King's tongue.

 

[ahole-ic]

Don't worry, everyone else knows.

No I don't think so... and the fact that you can't explain it means you don't either.

 

[ahole-ic]

It can be argued that even your self awareness lacks awareness.

Now THAT, my friend, is how you assert an insult without directly being insulting. I assume that you are a stranger to the King's tongue.

You are having delusions of grandeur. lmfao

 

[Scratchy 10+ year member]

It seems like your source is the huffing and puffington post. Bachmann explained it pretty well. It was her father in laws'. She and her husband took possession of it after he died and it was partly her husbands when his father got dimentia. That is a far cry from Michele and her husband wringing their hands as the federal subsidies roll in.

So, which states are the most heavily subsidized, again?