THE OFFICAL 911 was a inside job thread

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

Hitman mentioned that Silverstein had just acquired the lease on the WTT a few weeks before 9/11. Assuming that is correct, what is the significance of the stayTuned's statement quoted above? It is another obvious example of a CT trying to manipulate facts to create the illusion that something sinister occured.

good point

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

good point

Thanks

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

Actually, I do not automatically defer to any expert's opinion. I am fairly certain that at this very moment there are dozens of "experts" getting their ***** handed to them under cross examination. As for your question about experts on the non conspiracy side -- it is my understanding that there are plenty of them out there. As I said before, these esoteric arguments are really far from being persuasive.

actually noones asked you to. But whoever is handing these "experts" their *****, why wont they get on youtube and say hey people i am so and so and that other guy is nuts!?

I hope you understand where Im coming from. If we werent allowed to question whats going on we wouldnt have had the boston tea party.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

actually noones asked you to. But whoever is handing these "experts" their *****, why wont they get on youtube and say hey people i am so and so and that other guy is nuts!?I hope you understand where Im coming from. If we werent allowed to question whats going on we wouldnt have had the boston tea party.

Sorry, I guess I was unclear as to what I was talking about. I am not under the impression that conspiracy theorist experts are cross examined on a daily basis. I was referring to "expert witnesses" in general who express opinions in criminal and civil matters. If you have no expertise in the area in which they are going to testify it may be very difficult to see where the holes are in their stated opinions. However, once those same experts are subject to cross examination their credentials and opinions are frequently torn to shreds. That is why I am not like zomg! they have an expert that says this or that.

Again, whether you agree with them or not there are experts that rebutt or purport to rebutt the conspiracy theory experts. I don't think that it would be all that hard to find them on the internet if you would like to see what they have to say. Personally I don't feel the need to read over a lot of boring *** scientific discussions at this point -- especially in light of the fact that six years after the fact the conspiracy theorists are still making patently false and/or misleading statements. In other words, when I can detect that they are obviously liars from just a casual reading of what they claim are facts I am not very motivated in reading what they have to say in more depth.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

Ive looked for counter arguments and have found some but not much. Mostly pertaining to the Pentagon.

Invesitgative journalism is nearly extinct and newscasts and tabloids are a joke for the most part, but when someone hints theres something wrong with the picture you like most others go berserk when you dont know all the details.

Lets get onto the lies. The only ones Ive heard came from our Congress. The first was that there was no way we could conceive the idea of using a plane as a weapon. Obviously a lie since NORAD was in Florida that day in training missions against hijacked planes with buildings as targets. Ironic, but along with intelligence of a possible attack that would have explained their purpose for being there, but then why lie?

The second was WMD's. Forget about those yet? Yes Saddam played run around with inspectors. No explanation as to why the intelligence was misleading. All I see is a supposedly new agenda to 'free the iraqi people' and a lie swept under the rug and Colin Powell ashamed with himself.

6 months in Afghanistan and how many years in Iraq? Surely the politicians know a war on terror is like a war on crime, youll can suppress it but to fully rid the world of it seems to be an unreachable goal.

Talk about six years after, still no memorial at Ground Zero. That in itself speaks volumes.

The problem with you, me and the majority of this country is that everyones caught up in their own bull to really care or do anything about it, and I think thats what the government prefers.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I really was not talking about those lies, lol. Without agreeing with any specific point you were making, let me say that I am not a Bush fanboi. But that does not mean that I believe that he committed the completely insane act of blowing up the twin towers and purposefully murdering 3k of his country's own citizens in the process.

The lies I am referring to are those of the people who are begging us to believe this hairbrained cnspiracy theory. BTW, I still have not heard a coherent statement of exactly what this theory is. I don't criticize you for that -- but there are people who are completely obsessed with this foolishness who I would think could articulate a statement.

Those are the same people who destroy any credibility the "truth movement" might have. For example, look at the survey at the top of this thread. Do you notice how slanted the choices are? That is typical of how these people approach their evidence.

Look at what the guy said a couple of days ago. He claims something to the effect that there are 100 million believers -- based on hits on internet sites and attendance at rallys. I am sure he did not come up with that on his own -- he got it from the same whackos who are asking you to believe their "science."

Take the zomg! the owner of the building just bought a new insurance policy. The theorists put that out there and I am sure they know that he also had just obtained an insurable interest in the property so that is exactly when you would expect him to obatain a policy. They know this and yet they still argue the point.

Take the argument the guy made the other day about some of the hijackers still being alive. Its total BS. My recollection is that there was some confusion within the first few days following 9/11 about the identity of the hijackers but that has long since been resolved. And yet the theorists still say that crap -- once again killing their credibility.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

the only coincidences you have an answer to are very small and at the bottom of the list.

I wont say it was an inside job but I am suspicious there is more to the picture than was told. And are there 100 million believers? most likely not but at least ill applaud people that want the full truth about the most shaping event of the 21st century. yeah some of them are kinda out there but for you to generalize as whackos is kind of an insult //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif so mcdonalds claims one billion served but its just one fat million haha whats the difference.

Arguments about the well documented low key warnings of flying to new york because of a security caution are irrefutable to me but some people just have tunnel vision i guess. Either youre really skimming the posts or you cant put the obvious together. But to me the theory is just to hear the full story.

LoL at the 1st ever Miss Iraq contest.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

the only coincidences you have an answer to are very small and at the bottom of the list.
I wont say it was an inside job but I am suspicious there is more to the picture than was told.

Either youre really skimming the posts or you cant put the obvious together.

But to me the theory is just to hear the full story.

You seem like a decent guy but I think you may be missing my point entirely. I am not trying to refute the conspiracy theory points one by one. My entire point is that I don't personally find it necessary. Their basic premise --- that it was an inside job -- is so ridiculous that it does not peak my interest. So that is my starting point. From there I read (you are actually right, I skim) the "facts" that have been stated here and I see obvious lies that stick out like a sore thumb. This makes me even less likey to look into their claims than I was to start with.

For example, I don't care how many people actually believe their theory. All I care about is that the conspiracy theorists method for arriving at that number is obviously screwed up. It makes them seem like even more of a joke --- and I thought their theory was whacked to begin with.

You say that you don't necessarily think that it was an inside job but there may be more to the story. Maybe there are things that have been covered up --- but when the conspiracy theorists start with the proposition that it was an inside job they absolutely destroy their credibility. They become at best a comical curiosity. The majority of their intended audience is not going to hear what they are saying. But that is the conspiracy theorists' fault -- it is not the fault of the audience.

Furthermore, if one is going to take a position that is so dam unbelieveable on the front end then the proponent of that theory should make dam sure that he does not over reach with their evidence. The conspiracy theorists apparently do just the opposite --- they continue to argue points that they know or should know is false.

 

[bds0688 10+ year member]

the only coincidences you have an answer to are very small and at the bottom of the list. I wont say it was an inside job but I am suspicious there is more to the picture than was told. And are there 100 million believers? most likely not but at least ill applaud people that want the full truth about the most shaping event of the 21st century. yeah some of them are kinda out there but for you to generalize as whackos is kind of an insult //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif so mcdonalds claims one billion served but its just one fat million haha whats the difference.

Arguments about the well documented low key warnings of flying to new york because of a security caution are irrefutable to me but some people just have tunnel vision i guess. Either youre really skimming the posts or you cant put the obvious together. But to me the theory is just to hear the full story.

LoL at the 1st ever Miss Iraq contest.

Calling some theorists whackos is an insult? The bold stuff is an insult to non-conspiracists. We have different opinions. We aren't "blinded" or "narrow minded" or "reading what we want".

I don't like Bush, I don't like a lot of the policies the government has. However, I do not believe that some evil men in black suits put together a plan to bring down three buildings, "controlled demolition style" without anyone talking.

Counter arguments on youtube? Since when youtube become a reliable source for evidence and support for arguments?

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

how are you going to get an opinion across on video other than the most popular means..youtube.

why dont you just take 52 minutes out of your life and watch http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2454387494405377682&q=martial+law+2&total=409&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

the first few minutes are unimpressive but watch the whole thing and tell me what you think. Itll take less time than it takes people to wait on line for an iphone.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

Calling some theorists whackos is an insult? The bold stuff is an insult to non-conspiracists. We have different opinions. We aren't "blinded" or "narrow minded" or "reading what we want".
I don't like Bush, I don't like a lot of the policies the government has. However, I do not believe that some evil men in black suits put together a plan to bring down three buildings, "controlled demolition style" without anyone talking.

no, being a whacko and being ignorant is a little different.

I looked at the whole story. Its not made up, its Associated Press. You probably watch the news at 10 with the dancing chihuahuas. Thats pretty much the definition of narrow minded.

and if you watch the video skull and bones is a kind of secret society within yale. look it up

 

[DDeitz 10+ year member]

bush would never ever in a million yells sell the lives of 3000 or 6000 americans (dont forget his war on terror not just 9\11) i mean thats crazy... he has such upstanding members of worlds best in his family and connections...

prescott bush (funded the nazi's)

and the rockafellers...need i say more? (central bank of america)

skull and bones member...

thats all i think needs to be listed

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

how are you going to get an opinion across on video other than the most popular means..youtube.why dont you just take 52 minutes out of your life and watch http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2454387494405377682&q=martial+law+2&total=409&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

the first few minutes are unimpressive but watch the whole thing and tell me what you think. Itll take less time than it takes people to wait on line for an iphone.

I have to give you credit because you said up front the first few minutes are unimpressive -- which does preserve your personal credibility. Taking what you said into consideration I was determined to get past that first part --- it was tough trying to stomach seeing people just yell allegations into the camera.

I had to call it quits however when they started citing the Zogby poll. If I am not mistaken, that poll is one of the glaring examples of how these guys puprosefully try to manipulate information to trick the public. If it is the same one that I am thinking about it was cited in here by the creator of this thread. It is a complete joke and anyone who has a working understanding of the English language can see why it should not be relied on for anything other than demonstrating how deceitful the conspiracy theorists are.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

extra read all about it

If Bush really cared about lives why block funds to the dozens of sick responders at ground zero some whom have already passed.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

why it should not be relied on for anything other than demonstrating how deceitful the conspiracy theorists and the mainstream media can be.

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