The new mag is xbl :D

New Mag = FTW //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The new BM looks to be really cool as well, you can mount that thing **** near anywhere.

 
Will the new BM's take similar volume requirements as the new mags? Us truck guys would love a good performing shallow sub, and so far this looks to be a winner.

I'm really liking the direction this is headed. Think I am gonna have to hold off on purchasing a substage till these are released. Keep up the good work guys.

 
Indeed. A good quality sub does not mean high excursion, nor does it have to be //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif
Definitely true, The XXX is a great sub, but it leads in neither SQ or SPL so that is proof excursion isn't everything. I for one am glad to see people like Nick who still design a sub primarily for SQ with decent SPL being a result of quality design.
I consider there being two 'excursion wars' going on. One is waged by many of the manufacturers, to claim king of the hill. The other one, is waged on the boards by people who do not fully grasp the situation, but still trying to argue back and forth about the importance of cone excursion.

In some situations, cone excursion (xmax) means very little. In some situations, its a very dominant spec. Compare two subs for output in sealed enclosures, then come tell me how little excursion means.

SPL competitions have created so many confused experts its staggering to me sometimes. People see a sub with relatively small xmax capability post up massive SPL numbers and viola, they start telling everyone on the boards that obviously xmax means very little to SPL potential. Forget that he is using a professional setup as his example, that only plays a single note burp, very near tuning where excursion is minimalized and thermal power handling becomes the dominant factor, for relatively short periods of time. Nope, forget all that, clearly that TermLab score proves the overgeneralization that xmax means very little to SPL potential.

Come on guys. If you know better, and I suspect you do, validate your comments with some onformation. Otherwise you only look half informed.

 
We all know that this is the REAL secret:

Woofer Quality = (Excursion x Cowbell) / Quantity of Elemental Designs present

So... you can make up for lack of excursion with more cowbell... or by taking some of the ED out //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Nick uses more cowbell... and don't forget the other equation that is critical: Cowbell = Fibutron + Cowbell Alloy Content -- Nick uses more Fibutron than Cowbell Alloy to achieve the same amount of Cowbell... very complicated.

It's a JOKE //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Before this thread goes horribly awry *laughs*

 
ISPL competitions have created so many confused experts its staggering to me sometimes.
Haha, very true. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Now now Jake, you know that we've done posiquad testing on some Fibutron before. The results were eleventybillion. Yep, eleventybillion. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

jdc - the BM's are going to require smaller boxes than the Mag's. Recommended sealed box on the new BM's is going to be 0.75 cubes. And with only 3.5" of mounting depth, they'll fit behind/under/on top of anything.

gsr - yes we are located in Mooresville but we don't have a store front.

 
Haha, very true. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Now now Jake, you know that we've done posiquad testing on some Fibutron before. The results were eleventybillion. Yep, eleventybillion. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

jdc - the BM's are going to require smaller boxes than the Mag's. Recommended sealed box on the new BM's is going to be 0.75 cubes. And with only 3.5" of mounting depth, they'll fit behind/under/on top of anything.
Fibutron does have 100 times more posiquads than any other material know to man. Really helps to stabilize the voice coil bearings, especially at high RPMs.

 
We all know that this is the REAL secret:
Woofer Quality = (Excursion x Cowbell) / Quantity of Elemental Designs present

So... you can make up for lack of excursion with more cowbell... or by taking some of the ED out //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Nick uses more cowbell... and don't forget the other equation that is critical: Cowbell = Fibutron + Cowbell Alloy Content -- Nick uses more Fibutron than Cowbell Alloy to achieve the same amount of Cowbell... very complicated.

It's a JOKE //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Before this thread goes horribly awry *laughs*
While we are on the subject...
Fibutron also cures impotence... side effects may include increased x-max.
- http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5778&pid=147690&mode=threaded&start=
Does it help with jock-itch too?? My friend wanted me to ask for him.

 
I consider there being two 'excursion wars' going on. One is waged by many of the manufacturers, to claim king of the hill. The other one, is waged on the boards by people who do not fully grasp the situation, but still trying to argue back and forth about the importance of cone excursion.
In some situations, cone excursion (xmax) means very little. In some situations, its a very dominant spec. Compare two subs for output in sealed enclosures, then come tell me how little excursion means.

SPL competitions have created so many confused experts its staggering to me sometimes. People see a sub with relatively small xmax capability post up massive SPL numbers and viola, they start telling everyone on the boards that obviously xmax means very little to SPL potential. Forget that he is using a professional setup as his example, that only plays a single note burp, very near tuning where excursion is minimalized and thermal power handling becomes the dominant factor, for relatively short periods of time. Nope, forget all that, clearly that TermLab score proves the overgeneralization that xmax means very little to SPL potential.

Come on guys. If you know better, and I suspect you do, validate your comments with some onformation. Otherwise you only look half informed.
wat about all the dumbasses who goes "omg, look at the sub moves" I know a couple personally and it frustrates me everytime they look at a sub they look at

A) magnet size

B) power handling

C)excursion

 
We all know that this is the REAL secret:
Woofer Quality = (Excursion x Cowbell) / Quantity of Elemental Designs present

So... you can make up for lack of excursion with more cowbell... or by taking some of the ED out //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Nick uses more cowbell... and don't forget the other equation that is critical: Cowbell = Fibutron + Cowbell Alloy Content -- Nick uses more Fibutron than Cowbell Alloy to achieve the same amount of Cowbell... very complicated.

It's a JOKE //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Before this thread goes horribly awry *laughs*
"I've got a fever, and the only perscription is More Cowbell"

Now I know the sub I need when I don't want to fear the reaper

 
wat about all the dumbasses who goes "omg, look at the sub moves" I know a couple personally and it frustrates me everytime they look at a sub they look at A) magnet size

B) power handling

C)excursion
Well, no matter what enclosure a sub is in, the further it moves given a static input frequency, the louder it is. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif But yes, saying excursion is an end-all spec would be another overgeneralization that would fit into my point on the topic.
Power handling, same thing. Run a sub IB and thermal power handling is most likely moot. But stuff it in an SPL setup and run burps through it very near tuning and all the sudden that spec is much more important. My point was to not overgeneralize, which any of your 3 examples would be.

People dont need generalizations in order to learn, they need specifics... like fibutron content, implementation, and its over-all importance to your jock region.

 
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