The Adire Audio Continued

[generalGOTCHA 10+ year member]

Hmmm, I hate to say this really ! But, those of you who go out to your car and do an install to your personal vehicle will tweak every thing to the eye that is not satisfaction or close to perfection in the pride of what you have. People will look at

your car/truck and be in aww and amazement of such emaculate work and youd did not pay 3000$ for it to look like that , but the pride and work that covered its cost !

Your best friend just bought a new system, he lives **NEXT DOOR** he always talks about your work and abilities, and even your own car ! He saved some cash and wants to emulate your artwork, but does not have the skills. You attend to help him, while your helping him not charging a thing, you find yourself not missing any edge or cut etc so his ride will look nice to all for the fact that he's going to tell other people , in which you may charge as well. You driven by friendship find yourself attending his vehicle as if it was your own with pride in your work while striving for perfection.

AHHHHHHHHH ! Its beautifull, your not frustrated , hours of work complete, your friend saves a grand or so , and later he will use his unique ability to repay you although your not worried about it. two weaks come by someone see's your work done to his vehicle. Theyre willing to pay you if you can bargain a deal over the local audio shop thats so outrageous, .. and of course this is alott of what you do, so you accept !

Now getting paid a swift and boring 800 $ custom installing someones equipment doing a 2500$ job ! Knowing they have the cash to pay more your just doing the shit anyways. As your installing that nice new vehicle your pride factor isnt what it was when you did your own, or a close friend. You making short cuts, and now the frustration is multiplied in how it affects you. Your quality is drastically falling to a no care install but to make you quik 800$ since their **NOW GETTING WHAT THEY PAY FOR**. You bandaid the work , your doing the install but not laying that glass as nice now, or your taping connections and not soldering. They will never know ! and for what Im charging , they better not care. Months go buy after this install, and a problem occurs... The idiot kicked somthign or the install just had a minor issue with wiring, he comes back .. not mad because of the deal you made. You fix the problem, but charging a nice 100$ , he still doesnt complain because its a custom job.

1yr passes , your install , and your friends install still ! Not changed , Still

**NO PROBLEMS**

You heard a breif comment from a friend ! Ahh, that idiot went and paid someone else at the audiostore for some components and dogged on your work because they saw some shortcuts used to finish the job.

Analogy .. or Moral if you will:

AMERICANS Always seem to pride their work for those close to them ! When givin a task set for no pride but money , nothing to show off or regain brag rights for, will tend to make a human slack. More money more motivation. Im going to not discriminate Adire Audio's choice because it is by far a good researched economic choice , sure it cuts jobs in america ! You be the owner , and try to market more for less .. and see what you do as well. Time has showed the SACRIFICE OF QUALITY when paying an outsourced company to do your work for less.

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR:

I have a bad feeling, your going to see ADIRE audio equipment, being manufactured in Chile , and advertised as Adire !

Its like getting that technical support help from an american technician via the phone .. quality , clear concise instruction . Then replacing him with 6 oversea indian technicians who are intelligent , quik to get frustrated with you because you dont understand them , and your frustration leads you to paying someone in america to help you anyways !

Might be a bad analogy, but you get the point !

WE SHALL SEE, the quality of these new units.

for now ... My reccomendation is to those who have adire right now:

KEEP EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ... Much like the like the OLD lanzar //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

It may possibly be the last quality unit you have. You will know //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

- When your adire right now, is still performing while the new adire's or their offspring churp and die !

-you notice mechanical flaws, or un-satisfactory behavior. voice coils loose .. and if that is the case youll know because as you look at that flaw, you will know someone over there saw it also, and wasnt caring enough to yank it off assembly have it fixxed. They simply dont get paid enough to care , one bad unit of 20 wont be noticed they will think, whoever gets it will live by the idea "buy 10 rolls royces one will have a problem" .

Anyhow , im just expressing not my feelings, not my opinion , but fact of relevance in common economical stats other outsource companys have been graphed and shown lack of quality factors that did not show before the outsource.

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[ShRapNeR 10+ year member]

id just like to say...

i read the entire thing.

 

[generalGOTCHA 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif thanks for your time. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I had to put 3 cents in , 2 wasnt enough.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

- When your adire right now, is still performing while the new adire's or their offspring churp and die !

-you notice mechanical flaws, or un-satisfactory behavior. voice coils loose .. and if that is the case youll know because as you look at that flaw, you will know someone over there saw it also, and wasnt caring enough to yank it off assembly have it fixxed. They simply dont get paid enough to care , one bad unit of 20 wont be noticed they will think, whoever gets it will live by the idea "buy 10 rolls royces one will have a problem" .

Anyhow , im just expressing not my feelings, not my opinion , but fact of relevance in common economical stats other outsource companys have been graphed and shown lack of quality factors that did not show before the outsource.

I don't say this often, but....................YOU ARE RETARDED. You are trying to judge a product based off of where it was produced, without ever even having the product in your hands? How many new Adire subs from the SA plant do you have in your hands or have used? NONE. Hell, how many Adire products have you used in the past? Probably none to very little. So where do you get the idea that you can make these statements based off of NOTHING //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

If that's the way you look at things, then I suggest you stop buying ANYTHING (cars, DVD players, headunits, amps, vacuum sweepers, toys for your children, etc etc) because there aren't many things still made, manufactured, and assembled with 100% USA parts //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Apoc 10+ year member]

Heres my two cents, I bought two Tempest about 2 months ago and needless to say, one was bad. I know OLD_SCHOOL also bought two around the same time and one of his ended up being bad. Both of ours that were bad were due to loose spider rings which were both replaced on warranty. I dont know if these are from the new plant or not, but it could be giving some validity to what he has to say.

 

[Apoc 10+ year member]

I also read your entire post.....Im going to take a nap now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/drool.gif.b5e863e893038027711d4402f340dad0.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

thats dumb if he knew how he wanted it done he should have told you....if it worked for a year no problems and the $ he saved a little voice should have went off in his head...unless you super glued his speakers in or tied all the speakers into 1 channel on the amp lol but if you make short cuts you need to tell them and dont use tape only connections ever. butt connecters are a good medium and unless the butt is in a stress point there is little (ittty ittty bitty) to no performance difference.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

thats dumb if he knew how he wanted it done he should have told you....if it worked for a year no problems and the $ he saved a little voice should have went off in his head...unless you super glued his speakers in or tied all the speakers into 1 channel on the amp lol but if you make short cuts you need to tell them and dont use tape only connections ever. butt connecters are a good medium and unless the butt is in a stress point there is little (ittty ittty bitty) to no performance difference.

Wow, did someone completely miss the point of the post?

 

[WeDgE 10+ year member]

Quality will be going up using CAC... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Do you really think Dan will let quality drop? Hell no.

You guys are too focused on this outsourcing bit...

 

[Steven Kephart 10+ year member]

I agree with Wedge. If you really knew Dan, you would know that he would never let quality slip. He has only used build houses with the best QC to build his products in the past. Being on the inside, I can assure you that you have nothing to fear. We are purchasing more expensive glues than even the american build houses use because of their reliability. We are also purchasing the best machinery on the market to build the speakers. One of the reasons to have CAC is to control the QC and ensure the products are up to our high standards. Just look at the evolution of our products and you will see improvements in design throughout the different revisions, and not the other way around.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio

 

[Steven Kephart 10+ year member]

Heres my two cents, I bought two Tempest about 2 months ago and needless to say, one was bad. I know OLD_SCHOOL also bought two around the same time and one of his ended up being bad. Both of ours that were bad were due to loose spider rings which were both replaced on warranty. I dont know if these are from the new plant or not, but it could be giving some validity to what he has to say.

Those drivers were built in America (you probably saw the "made in USA" logo on the box) at a build house with one of the lowest defect rates in the industry. We rarely have QC issues with our subs, which is the reason why we pay for shipping both ways when it does come up.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Wow, did someone completely miss the point of the post?

as with anything either production or installation anyone making money tries to make the most of it thing about it is there are good ways and bad ways about doing this. i sold a set of brahmas from adire via my old shop. adire was nothing but good about doing so. i will also tell you in the 15 yrs i been messing with this stuff, i never seen a product not have a failure out of the box. granted it may be 1 out of 50 but its electronics. how i judge a company is how they take care of you when things like this happen. its pretty hard for a company to keep a 100% quality control but as they go through the processes they learn how to do it better. i used to be a manufactures rep and an installer and a tried and true iasca competitor. you think adire did it to be cheap? VERY doubtful because if they took care of you about it that woofer just cost them about double of what it would have been otherwise. i can recall quite a few companies that had quality control issues and instead of taking care of the problems they filed bankruptcy and i really dont see that happening here.

 

[generalGOTCHA 10+ year member]

I could not agree more ! Great customer service can make all the difference.

I will buy into some adire in the mere future. I have seen nothing but good things about them, and only worried by the time I start getting variety in, they wouldnt be worth it. As long as when I sell a customer a unit, if they have an issue with it, or a voice coil etc.... with a problem on it If I sent it back and was revamped what stephen said , I would consider it a great product for the fact it would have great customer service behind it.

No, I wasnt a retard by speaking out about something that cannot be tested nor proved. I simply made the accusation many outsourced companies lose quality , and time will tell, and gave examples how it would ! If it does not lose a bit of quality they HOOO RA ! I wasnt saying it is, will , or wont ! but expressed a worry for those who will be buying into adire to let things go through as see how it is.

Watch and see if I am wrong ! And if I am wrong then great, the company shall retain quality, and produce more for less man cost !

The best of Luck Adire ! God speed be with yall

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

I didnt read the first post.

I read the responses.

Whats with baggin on Adire now a days ??

What did they do to "you" ?

NOTHING !

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

No, I wasnt a retard by speaking out about something that cannot be tested nor proved. I simply made the accusation many outsourced companies lose quality , and time will tell, and gave examples how it would ! If it does not lose a bit of quality they HOOO RA ! I wasnt saying it is, will , or wont ! but expressed a worry for those who will be buying into adire to let things go through as see how it is.

So you spoke your mind about an issue that does not, and may never, exist. Good one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif That's still retarded