Thanks alot Obama voters...

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Not in all states nor can all people obtain them but yes full autos fall into this category.
Most likely semi-autos will soon fall into this category as well.

Only 9 states ban full auto weapons, the others you are free to own a full auto machine gun even under a re-enactment of the "assault rifle" ban

 

[goodrich 10+ year member]

Do share, when was the last time a civilian shot someone protecting themselves?
All this talk about the constitution... You have the right to own guns, you don't have a right to own automatic weapons. There is no need for it. You cannot prove that having an automatic weapon is going to save anyone's life.

About a month ago in Orlando, Fl. an armed robber was beating the hell out of a female clerk. A law-abiding citizen (who happened to have a concealed weapons permit) shot and killed the robber/attacker. Shortly afterward he was cleared in the shooting. That female clerk could have been a loved one of yours getting her a$$ kicked. Take a good look at ECHO's recent post and, if you even have a Bubba Gump IQ, you'll realize that the anti-gun morons won't stop at "assault weapons". There goal is a total elimination of all firearms. The citizen that saved that female clerk would of been powerless to help.

Who the f@ck are YOU to tell ME what my rights are you arrogant piece of sh!t. Don't claim to know what I need and what I don't need, I don't have to prove sh!t to you.

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

I have on multiple accounts, have you not read any of my posts? Your not making any sense? You can keep saying well thats not good enough in your opinion and I'm not arguing the fact that FULL-AUTOS should be banned but not semi-autos as I can kill someone just as easily with a Bolt Action as I can with out one.

I read all of your posts and have yet to see one fact given as to why ars should not be banned other than you use it hunt. I hunt without one and do just fine.

of course you can kill someone with a single bolt. But if you can use your ar 15 to hunt shouldnt I be able to just walk around with a model 18 for self defense?

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

You do realize that the whole 'all men are created equal' was written with the common idea that blacks are not included in that, right?
What do you think Dred Scott was about? They argued, and won, based on the philosophy that blacks weren't 'fully human' and therefore not 'created equally', as it states in the constitution.

I understand that. And actually that was even directed towards Woman as well stating that ONLY men were equal. I get all of that. But none of the articles attached to the constitution ever state that Blacks were not equal. As decided by the supreme court after Jim Crow Laws and everything were passed, it was attached to the constitutions that you can't be discriminated by Race, Color, beliefs, etc. As our Amendments 12-15 state.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

The point is still valid.
I know exactly what an ar-15 is. I have shot a few.

My question is why do you choose to differentiate with full autos and semi autos?

If you can have your ar-15 do I get my Glock 18 back?

g18 ftmfw

You do realize that the whole 'all men are created equal' was written with the common idea that blacks are not included in that, right?
What do you think Dred Scott was about? They argued, and won, based on the philosophy that blacks weren't 'fully human' and therefore not 'created equally', as it states in the constitution.

word

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

Only 9 states ban full auto weapons, the others you are free to own a full auto machine gun even under a re-enactment of the "assault rifle" ban

Yeah but it is not easy to attain. You need a special license for that.

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

I read all of your posts and have yet to see one fact given as to why ars should not be banned other than you use it hunt. I hunt without one and do just fine.
of course you can kill someone with a single bolt. But if you can use your ar 15 to hunt shouldnt I be able to just walk around with a model 18 for self defense?

Can you give me a reason they should be banned? I mean if believe in something you should be able to back it up w/ facts.

I hunt w/o one to and do just fine whats your point? And I am unfamiliar w/ a Glock 18 as I've never owned one.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Yeah but it is not easy to attain. You need a special license for that.

actually if you set up a trust its simple to attain, just have to pay a 200 dollar tax.

Fact remains they are going after semi auto's and leaving access to full auto's

If we are taking about potential for danger, the full auto is a much more dangerous weapon //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

Can you give me a reason they should be banned? I mean if believe in something you should be able to back it up w/ facts.
I hunt w/o one to and do just fine whats your point? And I am unfamiliar w/ a Glock 18 as I've never owned one.

Where did I say they should be banned? I merely eluded they have no real purpose other than killing.

Modle 18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

Correct, but this has nothing to do with my point.
Just because it says/implies 'x' in the constitution does not mean that 'x' is just..my point is that it was written on the premise that anything 'white male' was 'created equal'..

I understood exactly why you stated that, and wasn't ignoring your point. But The constitution is old, but it's what this country was founded on. No matter the times. But there is always ratifications to the amendments and so forth which correct themselves on the times.

And they aren't always right. Just like how EVER person in the US should be granted Life, Liberty, and Justice. But we strip LIFE everyday from the children being aborted since it's considered a Privacy Act.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I read all of your posts and have yet to see one fact given as to why ars should not be banned other than you use it hunt. I hunt without one and do just fine.
of course you can kill someone with a single bolt. But if you can use your ar 15 to hunt shouldnt I be able to just walk around with a model 18 for self defense?

Why own a corvette when an aveo will get you down the road as well (besides the obvious compensating for a small penor reason...)

Sports cars have more danger potential than an econo-box, why have sports car?

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

Where did I say they should be banned? I merely eluded they have no real purpose other than killing.
Modle 18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI

I don't agree w/ that at all. So whats your point?

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

Where did I say they should be banned? I merely eluded they have no real purpose other than killing.
Modle 18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI

And your totally wrong on the Killing part.

FACT:Assault weapons are not the weapons of choice among drug dealers, gang members or criminals in general. Assault weapons are used in about one-fifth of one percent (.20%) of all violent crimes and about one percent in gun crimes. It is estimated that from one to seven percent of all homicides are committed with assault weapons (rifles of any type are involved in three to four percent of all homicides). However a higher percentage are used in police homicides, roughly ten percent. (There has been no consistent trend in this rate from 1978 through 1996.) Between 1992 and 1996 less than 4% of mass murders, committed with guns, involved assault weapons. (Our deadliest mass murders have either involved arson or bombs.)

 

[psych0ticnemes1 5,000+ posts]

About a month ago in Orlando, Fl. an armed robber was beating the hell out of a female clerk. A law-abiding citizen (who happened to have a concealed weapons permit) shot and killed the robber/attacker. Shortly afterward he was cleared in the shooting. That female clerk could have been a loved one of yours getting her a$$ kicked. Take a good look at ECHO's recent post and, if you even have a Bubba Gump IQ, you'll realize that the anti-gun morons won't stop at "assault weapons". There goal is a total elimination of all firearms. The citizen that saved that female clerk would of been powerless to help.
Who the f@ck are YOU to tell ME what my rights are you arrogant piece of sh!t. Don't claim to know what I need and what I don't need, I don't have to prove sh!t to you.

I claim that I know you do not need automatic weapons, you ignorant piece of sh!t.

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

More FACTS:

* California. In 1990, "assault weapons" comprised thirty-six of the 963 firearms involved in homicide or aggravated assault and analyzed by police crime laboratories, according to a report prepared by the California Department of Justice, and based on data from police firearms laboratories throughout the state. The report concluded that "assault weapons play a very small role in assault and homicide firearm cases." Of the 1,979 guns seized from California narcotics dealers in 1990, fifty-eight were "assault weapons."

* Chicago. From 1985 through 1989, only one homicide was perpetrated with a military caliber rifle. Of the 17,144 guns seized by the Chicago police in 1989, 175 were "military style weapons."

* Florida. Florida Department of Law Enforcement Uniform Crime Reports for 1989 indicate that rifles of all types accounted for 2.6% of the weapons used in Florida homicides. The Florida Assault Weapons Commission found that "assault weapons" were used in 17 of 7,500 gun crimes for the years 1986-1989.

* Los Angeles. Of the more than 4,000 guns seized by police during one year, only about 3% were "assault weapons."

* Maryland. In 1989-90, there was only one death involving a "semiautomatic assault rifle" in all twenty-four counties of the State of Maryland.

* Massachusetts. Of 161 fatal shootings in Massachusetts in 1988, three involved "semiautomatic assault rifles." From 1985 to 1991, the guns were involved in 0.7% of all shootings.

* Miami. The Miami police seized 18,702 firearms from January 1, 1989 to December 31, 1993. Of these, 3.13% were "assault weapons."

* New Jersey. According to the Deputy Chief Joseph Constance of the Trenton New Jersey Police Department, in 1989, there was not a single murder involving any rifle, much less a "semiautomatic assault rifle," in the State of New Jersey. No person in New Jersey was killed with an "assault weapon" in 1988. Nevertheless, in 1990 the New Jersey legislature enacted an "assault weapon" ban that included low-power .22 rifles, and even BB guns. Based on the legislature's broad definition of "assault weapons," in 1991, such guns were used in five of 410 murders in New Jersey; in forty-seven of 22,728 armed robberies; and in twenty-three of 23,720 aggravated assaults committed in New Jersey.

* New York City. Of 12,138 crime guns seized by New York City police in 1988, eighty were "assault-type" firearms.

* New York State. Semiautomatic "assault rifles" were used in twenty of the 2,394 murders in New York State in 1992.

* San Diego. Of the 3,000 firearms seized by the San Diego police in 1988-90, nine were "assault weapons" under the California definition.

* San Francisco. Only 2.2% of the firearms confiscated in 1988 were military-style semiautomatics.

* Virginia. Of the 1,171 weapons analyzed in state forensics laboratories in 1992, 3.3% were "assault weapons."

* National statistics. Less than four percent of all homicides in the United States involve any type of rifle. No more than .8% of homicides are perpetrated with rifles using military calibers. (And not all rifles using such calibers are usually considered "assault weapons.") Overall, the number of persons killed with rifles of any type in 1990 was lower than the number in any year in the 1980s.