SQ = Front + Back speakers?

[Spkrman]

I've already compared my boxes to those designed by "people" on this forum... don't wanna call the guy out! If you look at the site, the latest news update details this... I'll put it in short here.

Custom designed box for a pair of type R 12's - powered by an alpine mrd1000... Does a 139.7 at 48hz. Decent score?

TYPICAL TCAB box nothing special about this one, it is *not* a straight SPL box... 142.9 at 46hz... with *one* 12 on the same amp! It also sounded a heck of alot better because the woofer wasnt working hard at all to get "loud".

Thats what makes my boxes better. The numbers talk for me. The aforementioned customer could have come to me *first*... bought ONE sub and a smaller amp and would have been just as loud or louder than the setup he had before he got my boxes. Now lets say he spent 285 on the box and got one 12 and a smaller amp straight off, not buying the extra woof and bigger amp pays for the box right there... lets not mention less strain on the woofer and electrical system and better sound quality!

Not to mention your not buying from some guy who's looking to make some money to buy some new woofers or pay for some noise tickets... I am looking to grow TCAB as a business and I'm not going anywhere. That's why there is a 5 year warranty... and chances are you will never have to use it!

If you think the prices are too high, thats fine... not everyone can afford a ferrari //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Spkrman]

So I'm spending some money.
I think I've decided to go with...

15" RL-p - $280 shipped

Spkrman box - $285 shipped

Viper 1200.1 - $210 shipped

Clarion EQ - $60 shipped

Alpine 9847 - $200

bout $1050

and I'll have about 600 more to spend + 280 for a viper alarm

So, looking for some speakers and I want SQ for mostly rock, but i'll pump up hip hop every so often.

I heard a lot of people only get front speakers. Someone said more than front speakers might mix up the clarity etc. It would also be cheaper and/or I could power 2 speakers easier and cheaper than four.

So, four or two? Four channel amp or two channel amp?

and to answer the original Q //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I would go with a nice comp set up front and some decent coaxials in the rear - amp only the front speaks and power the rear off the head unit.

You don't want to overdo the rearfill... you dont want to "know" the speakers are back there... and for that matter, you dont want to know where ANY of the speakers are, just want the sound to be there //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Could probably get away with 0 rear fill, but when your really bumpin you may need it to bring out the music over the boom.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Could probably get away with 0 rear fill, but when your really bumpin you may need it to bring out the music over the boom.

If that's the case, then you either need to 1) lower the boom (God Forbid!!), or 2) upgrade the frontstage to something stronger. Rear fill shouldn't be the solution, however.

 

[Spkrman]

If that's the case, then you either need to 1) lower the boom (God Forbid!!), or 2) upgrade the frontstage to something stronger. Rear fill shouldn't be the solution, however.

Its cheaper and easier to just add in some rear fill. When your crankin it sometimes its preferable. Heck of alot easier to get volume out of 4 speakers.

Turn the bass down? Leave it down when you feel like it... but when you wanna bump it BUMP it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

The easiest option isn't always the right option //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Spkrman]

To stay loud and clear you are talking about an extremely LOUD set of comps up front with lots of power going to them.

At that point, you have to ask yourself if its worth all the extra cash to just get as much volume as you could have gotten with rearfill... and you can't forget that you'll probably be stressing the front speakers.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

To stay loud and clear you are talking about an extremely LOUD set of comps up front with lots of power going to them.
At that point, you have to ask yourself if its worth all the extra cash to just get as much volume as you could have gotten with rearfill... and you can't forget that you'll probably be stressing the front speakers.

if you do it correctly there is no need to have lots of power up front. i've run systems with 2000 watts rms + with about 100-150 watts up front. imaging is your friend.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

you guys are nuts talking about that stuff lol basically what spkrman does is build a better than average box so the customer can have a single sub or however many you want to be loud and clear. notice he recomends drivers he is familiar with. he knows what the end result will be imo i dont think you can ask for much better. if you can do 140's with 1 12 cleanly in his box i would say its well worth the price lord knows i know guys who charge alot more for boxxes of the same caliber . dont think im trying to shoot down anyone by saying that either ice and squeak have a right to think the way they do all im doing is explaining what the differences are in boxxes. in street classes (db drags) the boxxes are everything in winning and losing

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

you guys are nuts talking about that stuff lol basically what spkrman does is build a better than average box so the customer can have a single sub or however many you want to be loud and clear. notice he recomends drivers he is familiar with. he knows what the end result will be imo i dont think you can ask for much better. if you can do 140's with 1 12 cleanly in his box i would say its well worth the price lord knows i know guys who charge alot more for boxxes of the same caliber . dont think im trying to shoot down anyone by saying that either ice and squeak have a right to think the way they do all im doing is explaining what the differences are in boxxes. in street classes (db drags) the boxxes are everything in winning and losing

the vehicle also has to factor into the spl capabilities. if a box does good in a hatchback, it might not do as well in a big sedan. not saying his boxes are bad but christ $285 for a single sub box. i would want mine platinum plated for that price //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

the vehicle also has to factor into the spl capabilities. if a box does good in a hatchback, it might not do as well in a big sedan. not saying his boxes are bad but christ $285 for a single sub box. i would want mine platinum plated for that price //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

lol on the flip side of that no way you are gettin enough platinum to plate a sub box for 285 bucks lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

To stay loud and clear you are talking about an extremely LOUD set of comps up front with lots of power going to them.
At that point, you have to ask yourself if its worth all the extra cash to just get as much volume as you could have gotten with rearfill... and you can't forget that you'll probably be stressing the front speakers.

It's not the volume I'm worried about with regard to adding rear fill //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

If you are drowning out a set of properly powered and setup component sets in front, then you have a major problem with system linearity. Adding rear fill is only going to degrade the stereo as a whole, not help it. If you need more volume, do it up front where it should be anyways.

And I agree with iceteebone; you don't need a ton of power to get comps loud when setup properly. And if your substage is still overpowering them....well, then it goes back to that whole linearity problem....LOL.

 

[drzenitram 10+ year member]

Now I need someone to explain linearity and imaging to me.

OR LINK ME!

Then tell me how to do it. Hah.

Thanks, all of you.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

linearity is the systems performance at all volumes bass trebele and mid all playing at the same level as they do at low volumes at higher volumes. meaning sub doesnt drown out anything even at extreme levels and same with the tweeters and mid

 

[Spkrman]

Perhaps I am the only one who likes to hear alot of bump.

I don't wanna have the bass way down... particuarly on songs that have no bass. Its *my* system... will play it like I want to, listening to it "as recorded"... nah.

 

[Spkrman]

the vehicle also has to factor into the spl capabilities. if a box does good in a hatchback, it might not do as well in a big sedan. not saying his boxes are bad but christ $285 for a single sub box. i would want mine platinum plated for that price //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

the vehicle IS factored into the box //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Doesn't matter what vehicle you have, you just have to use it properly.