Sound Quality of Speaker Wire !?!?!??!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

[Slaugh 10+ year member]

if it says Monster Cable, then it's GOT to sound better... the name itself improved sound quality in at least 75%

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

Aight blue, read through (in it's entirety) both of those post. Where is this "scientific proof" that was supposed to be there ? Where are the graphs ?

 

· Single 2mm (14 gauge) round conductor: Upper bass and mid-range are warm. Treble is soft and rolled off.

·· Two 1mm (14 gauge) round conductors: Upper bass and mid-range are cleaner, with better definition. Sound is more natural and coherent. Less roll-off in high frequencies.

= Two 1mm (14 gauge ) rectangular conductors: Upper bass and mid-range are more vivid, palpable and live sounding. The sound through the mid treble and upper frequencies is extremely coherent and natural. Overall, the natural Harmanic structure of the music is more accurately revealed.

^ Sounds rather subjective too me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

i was just going to say, all this "interconnect" bullshit aside.
what about the contact between the actual wires and the terminals?? tinsel leads, solder joints, and all that jazzy snazzy stuff? and im pretty sure the LENGTH of the wire has more to do with the resistance ect than the materials.

i think that the impedance shift from the terminals and surface area actually touching here would change the properties more than the actual wire itself. because you loose all your "oxygen free mega-acoustic super illidified deoxodized low-temp-extruded quad*die*fidycent brick-wall tripple crossover ultrastatic wire shield" and now its just plain old wire. lawl.

one time, i switched the "high end wire" in a stereo at a shop, and then asked them to show me the demo. basicaly how its supposed to work, there are two sets of wire, Belkin cheap $2 wires, and super high end $XXX.XX wires. it was for both audio and video, and i changed the tv\video inputs on the back, so input 1 was cheap, and input 2 was espensive, when its supposed to be the opposite. he came over (was a head salesman or whatever) and showed the difference in video quality on the screen to me and asked me if i heard the warmth in the sound (it was an orchrista video with some audiophiole recording) and i laughed at him, and then i told him i switched the wires on the back, and he was preaching about the wrong wires.

i was promptly asked to leave the store lol.

ive tried many kinds of wires, and my CD2 horns always sound the same without changing the settings on the crossover \ headunit \ amps.

but then again, i guess im just a criton with medicore equipment if it does not cost $3000 per metre //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

D@mn that sounds familiar. It wasn't at cc was it ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

I'm through with this thread .... Say whatever you want to , but know this :
The ones who are of the " all things sound the same " camp , will NEVER have as good of a system as you could if you would open your mind and learn.

Good Luck !

Care to put a wager on that ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

cable direction mentioned -- not check

And don't forget the slope factor. Electrons can't flow up hill, so you need to have a gradual slope from front to back //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Raven 10+ year member]

Aight blue, read through (in it's entirety) both of those post. Where is this "scientific proof" that was supposed to be there ? Where are the graphs ?
 

· Single 2mm (14 gauge) round conductor: Upper bass and mid-range are warm. Treble is soft and rolled off.

·· Two 1mm (14 gauge) round conductors: Upper bass and mid-range are cleaner, with better definition. Sound is more natural and coherent. Less roll-off in high frequencies.

= Two 1mm (14 gauge ) rectangular conductors: Upper bass and mid-range are more vivid, palpable and live sounding. The sound through the mid treble and upper frequencies is extremely coherent and natural. Overall, the natural Harmanic structure of the music is more accurately revealed.

^ Sounds rather subjective too me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Gah! Beat me to it Ramos. I was thinking the same thing.

I like to think of it like this: We can tell by listening to a system if the sub is in too small a box, or if kickpanels/doors need to be redone or deadened, or if the owner REALLY needs to stop turning the EQ into a smiley face. We can tell if the gain on the amp is too high (most of the time) or if they need bigger wire to feed power to that clippy amp. On the flip side, name one person that can listen to a system and tell it's owner "That sound is a direct indication of cheap *** wire! Use better wire and it will sound better" and be right.

 

[blue 10+ year member]

Aight blue, read through (in it's entirety) both of those post. Where is this "scientific proof" that was supposed to be there ? Where are the graphs ?
 

· Single 2mm (14 gauge) round conductor: Upper bass and mid-range are warm. Treble is soft and rolled off.

·· Two 1mm (14 gauge) round conductors: Upper bass and mid-range are cleaner, with better definition. Sound is more natural and coherent. Less roll-off in high frequencies.

= Two 1mm (14 gauge ) rectangular conductors: Upper bass and mid-range are more vivid, palpable and live sounding. The sound through the mid treble and upper frequencies is extremely coherent and natural. Overall, the natural Harmanic structure of the music is more accurately revealed.

^ Sounds rather subjective too me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The graphs are indeed on the Tara Labs website. You can look for yourself. If you're TRULY interested , read as much as you can from different manufacturers. You will easily be able to tell the trash from the rest.

 

[blue 10+ year member]

You guys are REALLY , REALLY missing my point , and you've COMPLETELY put words in my mouth.

I have NEVER advocated anyone using hyper expensive wires in their car stereo system .... Only that differences can be heard in SOME wires , and why. This is ONLY what Squeak asked for.

I use speaker wire in my vehicles that costs $2.69 per foot ... That's all. It does NOT have fancy construction, fancy jacket , or anything else aside from having silver conductors. This is ALL I find necessary for car stereo, and is probably about as " high end " as i would EVER reccomend for any car stereo. Matter of fact , here's the exact cable I use : One is $2.69 ft and the other is $3.79 ... That is NOT high end at all.

When I had Audison Mono-Blocks and B&W Nautilus speakers in my car at one time , I did experiment by placing my $25,000 worth of Tara Labs The One cables in my car ( over the carpet for temporary purposes ) , and I could NOT hear an appreciable difference at all ..... However in my high end home theater , this same cable brings sonic nirvana.

You guys attacking me are NOT adding anything to the thread that Squeak started. Instead of wasting everyone's time entertaining yourselves , you should state your opinion and leave it alone. I've never said that everyone should own high end cables , ONLY that differences can be heard with CERTAIN cables in CERTAIN systems. But you'd rather join the vigilante idiots and attack me just to make yourself feel important. Your immaturity is appalling.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

And don't forget the slope factor. Electrons can't flow up hill, so you need to have a gradual slope from front to back //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

And also the 'G' forces that help the signal move from the front of the car to the back of the car as you're screaming down the highway. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

You guys are REALLY , REALLY missing my point , and you've COMPLETELY put words in my mouth.I have NEVER advocated anyone using hyper expensive wires in their car stereo system .... Only that differences can be heard in SOME wires , and why. This is ONLY what Squeak asked for.

I use speaker wire in my vehicles that costs $2.69 per foot ... That's all. It does NOT have fancy construction, fancy jacket , or anything else aside from having silver conductors. This is ALL I find necessary for car stereo, and is probably about as " high end " as i would EVER recommend for any car stereo.

When I had Audison Mono-Blocks and B&W Nautilus speakers in my car at one time , I did experiment by placing my $25,000 worth of Tara Labs The One cables in my car ( over the carpet for temporary purposes ) , and I could NOT hear an appreciable difference at all ..... However in my high end home theater , this same cable brings sonic nirvana.

You guys attacking me are NOT adding anything to the thread that Squeak started. Instead of wasting everyone's time entertaining yourselves , you should state your opinion and leave it alone. I've never said that everyone should own high end cables , ONLY that differences can be heard with CERTAIN cables in CERTAIN systems. But you'd rather join the vigilante idiots and attack me just to make yourself feel important. Your immaturity is appalling.

I'm not attacking, I'm trying to weed through the BS too find the "scientific proof " You act as if myself and others are out to get you. I'm not out to get anyone ( well maybe a nice looking 30-40 y/o rich, single, female but that's another post //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif ) You brought up the Tara labs stuff, which by the way I did read the first time it was posted over at carsound where werewolf and others tore it too shreds. You yourself posted that only you can decide what differences you can hear. Then you show me test that are "scientific" examples of what someone else hears. ?? I'm immature ?? Buck up son, I have been in this game far too long. I'm sorry I have my own mind to think with, and don't fall for marketing hype. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[blue 10+ year member]

I'm not attacking, I'm trying to weed through the BS too find the "scientific proof " You act as if myself and others are out to get you. I'm not out to get anyone ( well maybe a nice looking 30-40 y/o rich, single, female but that's another post //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif ) You brought up the Tara labs stuff, which by the way I did read the first time it was posted over at carsound where werewolf and others tore it too shreds. You yourself posted that only you can decide what differences you can hear. Then you show me test that are "scientific" examples of what someone else hears. ?? I'm immature ?? Buck up son, I have been in this game far too long. I'm sorry I have my own mind to think with, and don't fall for marketing hype. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Those tests came with graphs on the Tara website. They were NOT what Matthew thought he heard , but what was measured and how THAT correlated to what he thought he was hearing. That's NOT marketing , but the posting of test results.

I didn't post the Tara stuff to try and make a point of any kind , only to offer some reading to Death by Bass who didn't seem to have EVER hear of " skin effect "

As far as backing up .... No way. If you were not attacking me personally , then I was NOT speaking to you. If you were not acting immature , then i was not speaking to you. My post was directed to those that are NOT trying to make ANY kind of contribution to the original thread , but who only want to flame and act an azz. Please don't YOU end up falling into that catagory too ..... LOL:crazy:

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

There is no category that I fall into. I am the one and only, often imitated never duplicated //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

p.s. I said BUCK up. Not BACK up, meaning know who your dealing with before calling some one immature. If it wasn't directed at me then I apologize. Just don't like being called immature, gets under my skin. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[blue 10+ year member]

Thought I would add this :

The only high end wires i have ever had in a car that made an audible difference was Kimber Kable 8TC , Vampire Wire SC-IV , and strands of Tara RSC Air for tweeters. This is from the HUNDREDS of high end wires I tried in cars !!!

For the most part , speaker wire in a car is NOT going to make a difference above a certain point. In 90% of all installs I do , I use either Daxx copper/silver hybrid $2.69 per foot , or Rockford Fosgate Riot Matrix $2.90 foot. If I don't use those I use Stinger Pro Series 12 ga at .60 cents per foot.

 

[blue 10+ year member]

There is no category that I fall into. I am the one and only, often imitated never duplicated //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

p.s. I said BUCK up. Not BACK up, meaning know who your dealing with before calling some one immature. If it wasn't directed at me then I apologize. Just don't like being called immature, gets under my skin. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

No problem Ramos ..... I read what you wrote wrong. I have ZERO problems with anyone disaagreeing with me , just how they do it. Respect for others is often lain aside for the option of immature flaming. You have posted nothing less than reasonable posts , and I respect that.

Cheers !

 

[Darth Audio 10+ year member]

Blue I'm glad that you added the post stating that most high end wire will not make as audible difference in an automotive enviroment because that has been my experience. But I will say w/o going into all the science that in my home system I can definitely tell a difference between different wires I have used. Currently the best sound to my ears w/ my system is the 14 ga. lamp cord from Home Depot that I'm using in my HT.