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[IDSkoT 5,000+ posts]

now that i understand. your saying that the response happens quicker due to suspension but he said faster which was just a misstatement. there is a dif in faster response and faster movememnt like he said so I am still correct and you just proved it thank you.

Quicker and Faster are synonyms.

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

He means the suspension is moving less, not that it's moving slower.
And no, 22hz isn't "slower" than 60hz, you REALLY need to go back to 6th grade science class.

To clarify, because my statements sound somewhat contradictory:

Yes, at lower frequencies, the suspension is moving slower, when relative to higher frequencies, however that does NOT mean that 22hz travels slower than 60hz. The speed of sound is a constant, and changes depending on through the medium which sound travels.

that statement is what started the argument. he said right there that 22hz isnt slower when it is it only moves 22 times per second and 60 hz does it at 60 times per second. we weren't arguing over suspension just basic info.

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

so you really think that 20 Hz moves just as fast as 60 Hz? wow some people cant read for shit lolz

Yes, because the speed of sound in air @ 90* F is 786MPH. So they are moving at the same speed.

And you're right, some people can't read for shit, you even quoted the post I made, that semi-agrees with what you're arguing.

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

Quicker and Faster are synonyms.

ok using that argument try this:

an 1100 gsxr bullet bike is quicker than an f-16 but the f16 is still faster . so how are the 2 words synonyms?

or this: my friends Firebird is way quicker than alot of cars and does high 10 second quarter mile runs, but a less quick car such as his circle track car, can do 200+ mph and his firebird can't. his quick car hits top speed very fast but no where near 200+, and the fast car reaches top speed very slow. they are not synonyms.

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

ok using that argument try this:
an 1100 gsxr bullet bike is quicker than an f-16 but the f16 is still faster . so how are the 2 words synonyms?

or this: my friends Firebird is way quicker than alot of cars and does high 10 second quarter mile runs, but a less quick car such as his circle track car, can do 200+ mph and his firebird can't. his quick car hits top speed very fast but no where near 200+, and the fast car reaches top speed very slow. they are not synonyms.

Uhh, because the thesaurus says so?

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/fast

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

i found this: is it right or wrong?

A sound wave is a pressure disturbance which travels through a medium by means of particle-to-particle interaction. As one particle becomes disturbed, it exerts a force on the next adjacent particle, thus disturbing that particle from rest and transporting the energy through the medium. Like any wave, the speed of a sound wave refers to how fast the disturbance is passed from particle to particle. While frequency refers to the number of vibrations which an individual particle makes per unit of time, speed refers to the distance which the disturbance travels per unit of time. Always be cautious to distinguish between the two often confused quantities of speed (how fast...) and frequency (how often...).

Since the speed of a wave is defined as the distance which a point on a wave (such as a compression or a rarefaction) travels per unit of time, it is often expressed in units of meters/second (abbreviated m/s). In equation form, this is

speed = distance/time

The faster a sound wave travels, the more distance it will cover in the same period of time. If a sound wave is observed to travel a distance of 700 meters in 2 seconds, then the speed of the wave would be 350 m/s. A slower wave would cover less distance - perhaps 660 meters - in the same time period of 2 seconds and thus have a speed of 330 m/s. Faster waves cover more distance in the same period of time.

so that would mean that the speed of sound is not a constant as you explained it. it is a constant based on its frequency however but each frequency travels at a dif speed so.........

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

Fast" and "quick" can be adjectives, adverbs, or nouns. In struggling to come up with examples, I think the words are most interchangeable when used as adjectives generally describing speed, but are less interchangeable (or not at all interchangeable) when used in adjectival phrases. (When the words are used as nouns they have completely different meanings and as an adverb "quick" should be "quickly.")

the difference between "fast" and "quick" (when used as adjectives) isn't articulated in any solid-and-steadfast rules. It depends on usage and knowing that while the words are synonyms, they can't arbitrarily replace each other. Looking at what is being described and whether or not it is in a "fixed" or "animated" state may be the best way to handle this particular facet of the English language.

used the way he did was what confused me the most thanks for the education.

i read it he was using the word in the wrong context is all.

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

Yes, because the speed of sound in air @ 90* F is 786MPH. So they are moving at the same speed.
And you're right, some people can't read for shit, you even quoted the post I made, that semi-agrees with what you're arguing.

we wernt arguing how fast the sound moves we were arguing the fact that 22 hz moves the cone less times than 60 will which is 100% true. and either way the sound that 22 hz makes is still slower than what 60hz makes and it travels slower as well.

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

i found this: is it right or wrong?A sound wave is a pressure disturbance which travels through a medium by means of particle-to-particle interaction. As one particle becomes disturbed, it exerts a force on the next adjacent particle, thus disturbing that particle from rest and transporting the energy through the medium. Like any wave, the speed of a sound wave refers to how fast the disturbance is passed from particle to particle. While frequency refers to the number of vibrations which an individual particle makes per unit of time, speed refers to the distance which the disturbance travels per unit of time. Always be cautious to distinguish between the two often confused quantities of speed (how fast...) and frequency (how often...).

Since the speed of a wave is defined as the distance which a point on a wave (such as a compression or a rarefaction) travels per unit of time, it is often expressed in units of meters/second (abbreviated m/s). In equation form, this is

speed = distance/time

The faster a sound wave travels, the more distance it will cover in the same period of time. If a sound wave is observed to travel a distance of 700 meters in 2 seconds, then the speed of the wave would be 350 m/s. A slower wave would cover less distance - perhaps 660 meters - in the same time period of 2 seconds and thus have a speed of 330 m/s. Faster waves cover more distance in the same period of time.

so that would mean that the speed of sound is not a constant as you explained it. it is a constant based on its frequency however but each frequency travels at a dif speed so.........

I found the website you copied that from, and if you would have bothered to read further down the page, you would have found this:

Speed = Wavelength • Frequency

The above equation is useful for solving mathematical problems related to the speed, frequency and wavelength relationship. However, one important misconception could be conveyed by the equation. Even though wave speed is calculated using the frequency and the wavelength, the wave speed is not dependent upon these quantities. An alteration in wavelength does not affect (i.e., change) wave speed. Rather, an alteration in wavelength affects the frequency in an inverse manner. A doubling of the wavelength results in a halving of the frequency; yet the wave speed is not changed. The speed of a sound wave depends on the properties of the medium through which it moves and the only way to change the speed is to change the properties of the medium.

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

ahhhh thank you.

but the original thing was how fast the cone moves and you agree right?

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

ahhhh thank you.but the original thing was how fast the cone moves and you agree right?

Haha, yes.

The suspension generally will have a slower velocity but travel a greater distance at lower frequencies, than when compared to higher frequencies. However, the sound waves them selves will travel at the same rate //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

ok cool thanks for the info man.

I thought for sure some new thing happened while i was asleep that changed the laws of physics lolz.

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

we were arguing over him saying 20 Hz was moving faster than 60 Hz. which is impossible from what I just read in the encyclopedia. so if you can explain it or show me somewhere valid i can read it?

You need to read what you have in bold from me one more time. This time, read it VERY slowly. Nothing about "speed" or "faster" was ever mentioned. The peak to peak cone excursion is less at 22hz than it is at 60hz. Take a speaker and play it free air at 20hz and at 60hz and see which has more excursion. That's what "moves less" means. To add something else, my cone excursion is at a safe peak at 30hz and at a minimum at 22hz.