So I Kracked open some Krystal RCA Kable

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

remember that thread when they compared Monster to coat hangers and couldnt tell the difference....lol

yea they tested that in the house. try that in the car...bet you'll get dif results. wire is wire true, but noise rejecting is different

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

^^ a few very well known home audio companies used to use telephone wire for their $20,000 cabinets until people start complaining about the wire, so they switched and sales went up, even though the sound never changed.
Wire is wire.

I agree, but I just look at it if I can get all my rcas for like 40-45 dollars and it's the same stuff that the big box is selling for like way more than that, I feel like I got over. I don't buy into that crap on the back of the packaging, I was looking more into my install just looking good. All matching wires and all of that. But ebay has some amazing prices on a lot of that stuff. So I say if you want Monster, ebay it first.

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

i bought a bunch of Monster rcas from tweeter the other day. they were closing the store everything was like 85% off. only paid a few bucks, I am using it for my tv //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[snaimpally 10+ year member]

Knukonceptz lawyers worded it pretty good.no mention if its a functioning shield or not...cant sue sorry.

Actually you can sue. Texas has consumer protection laws under the Deceptive Trade Practices Act (DTPA). Sellers cannot make false, misleading or deceptive statements to induce consumers to pruchase products. Knu Koncept sells over the internet and I'm sure they sell enough in Texas to pass the "minimum contacts with the state" test, allowing Texas courts to have personal jurisdiction over Knu Koncepts.

My friend Glenn and I swapped out Knu Konceptz cable for techflexed Rocketfish (Bestbuy) RCAs when we swapped out an amp but the Rocketfish were designed for home audio and picked up a lot of noise so we swapped the Knu Koncept back until my Stinger RCAs arrive. Much less noise with the Knu. When we were pulling out the Knu I pulled too hard and the cable came out. I was shocked at how thin the conductor connected to the tip of the RCA is. It has like 5 thin strands. Total crap. Their power wire is good though.

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

Actually you can sue. Texas has consumer protection laws under the Deceptive Trade Practices Act (DTPA). Sellers cannot make false, misleading or deceptive statements to induce consumers to pruchase products. Knu Koncept sells over the internet and I'm sure they sell enough in Texas to pass the "minimum contacts with the state" test, allowing Texas courts to have personal jurisdiction over Knu Koncepts.
My friend Glenn and I swapped out Knu Konceptz cable for techflexed Rocketfish (Bestbuy) RCAs when we swapped out an amp but the Rocketfish were designed for home audio and picked up a lot of noise so we swapped the Knu Koncept back until my Stinger RCAs arrive. Much less noise with the Knu. When we were pulling out the Knu I pulled too hard and the cable came out. I was shocked at how thin the conductor connected to the tip of the RCA is. It has like 5 thin strands. Total crap. Their power wire is good though.

interesting.......

 

[knukonceptz 10+ year member]

That cable (Krystal) has used the same construction for 6 years now. One of the most popular cables we offer. If there was a noise epidemic with the design we would have altered it. What do you think twisted pair cable construction should look like? Most are unshielded - do they have noise? Stinger, RF and Lightning would have some major issues then. Its not a coaxial design....which is used in the Klarity, Karma and eKs lines. We took twisted pair and added 3 layers of shielding - we do not state ground braid shield. Along with the Twisted Pair, you have a mylar foil, a copper foil and a tinned copper braid. If EMI or RF noise can pass through 3 layers of metal and then you have some serious interference. Metal is a shield and there are three layers of it in that cable. If you want to talk suit, defamation of character comes to mind seeing as your promoting your "custom RCA's" in your sig and bad mouthing some one you might see as competition.

As for conductor size used, there is good reason for the small gauge, too large and you get high frequency roll off. This is from higher capacitance. The largest gauge you'll see in an RCA is 18 gauge and as small as probably 30. This is not from poor design (well maybe on the 30) but in testing, you can see a roll off of upper ranges (10k+) from too large of a diameter conductor. The signal is a low voltage, low current application, just as a telephone, thus similar sized conductors

back to the OP - Ok so you made your own RCA and grounded the shield yet you still have noise? Does that not tell you that your noise is not related to the cable and that is coming from your head unit? Your own post admits that the cable you made is not keeping noise out (yet you grounded the shield so that makes it great?). That is because the noise is entering from the Head Unit and not the cable. The RCA's are making "feedback" because the level of resistance from the head unit to chassis ground is greater then resistance from the ground of the RCA from the amp to the Head unit (RCA is the least resistive path to ground), when you connect the rca you are completing the loop.

We stand behind our designs and products, if you have a concern please email us.

Accordman - You still never gave us any real information on your terminal size, I then offered a full refund, all you had to do was send those terminals back. You could have then bought any pair you wanted prior to mailing back our model, why you did not understand that then I do not know.....If you want to dig up that thread and read it again, thats fine. We deal with issues logically, not every battery is made to the right spec. We see that often, that is why we wanted your post diameter and the terminal diameter to see where the fault was. Its that cut and dry......any tech support person will want to find out why the problem occured before they can fix it. I hope you can understand that.

 

[bdawson72 5,000+ posts]

Snap

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

words.

 

[bass-aholic 10+ year member]

oh shiat son

 

[F3RR3T 10+ year member]

****ing pwned

 

[Racerx250 10+ year member]

hmm. Good read there. Did my learning for the day.

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

*waits for response from mr. sq*

 

[ultimate157 5,000+ posts]

When we were pulling out the Knu I pulled too hard and the cable came out. I was shocked at how thin the conductor connected to the tip of the RCA is. It has like 5 thin strands. Total crap. Their power wire is good though.

Good job pulling on a cable... you know, something you should NEVER do. Don't go throwing blame on the manufacturer because you ruined the product by improper handling. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

knuman.

i still think your shields should be grounded. this is a very common practice that will shield any noise induced via EMI, in a car environment, EMI is everywhere, its not common - but grounding the shield to the RCA - terminal would defiantly help the quality of your cable, even making a dedicated ground would work.

unless you have a further suggestion - because a shield is worthless unless it is grounded.

 

[knukonceptz 10+ year member]

knuman.
unless you have a further suggestion - because a shield is worthless unless it is grounded.

That's not entirely true - case in point - have you ever used a piece of coax laying around for an over the air tv antenna by inserting the center conductor into the ANT input? Does not work unless you remove the shielding from opposite end exposing the center conductor. That shield (AL Foil and a tinned braid) is not grounded yet it is shielding the signal from the center conductor or is it shielding the center conductor from the signal??? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I guess the question is at what frequency does a shield begin to fail?