So I got in this 120 MPH race after bar close.........2000 SSEi vs 2010 Mustang GT

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

i cant imagine a zr1..i road in a buddies z06, my camaro runs about the same but my car is violent and loud, dudes vette is so quiet and smooth, those vettes are machines for sure, i thought about getting a c5 zo6 but after driving one and then riding in the c6 there is a world of difference, the c6 is so much better in every way, granted the 20k price difference across the board i can always dream tho

A stock C6 would be about like a C5 Z06. Might look into that, you can get some very lightly used for decent money. Down the road you can put STS twin system in it for under 10k, and it's all bolt on. Nothing like having a 700hp car that runs 10s, gets 25mpg and rides like a dream.

 

[smd4life 5,000+ posts]

You have no clue what you're talking about. The Veyron S is the worlds fastest production 0-100, and 100-200 car. The fastest 0-60 production is owned by the GT-R. The two fastest production runs on the Nurburgring is the GT-R followed closely by the ZR1. If you want fast for under $150,000, those are the two best options. Funny thing is, a stock C6 Vette with twin turbos is faster than either, for cheaper. It also spanks Hennessey and Lingenfelter modded anythings.

and then you look at the transmission issues with the GTR, the words "NISSAN" and "Super car" dont mix

 

[smd4life 5,000+ posts]

A stock C6 would be about like a C5 Z06. Might look into that, you can get some very lightly used for decent money. Down the road you can put STS twin system in it for under 10k, and it's all bolt on. Nothing like having a 700hp car that runs 10s, gets 25mpg and rides like a dream.

ive road in a regular c6 too, 6 speed automatic, it was nice aswell. It was all stock but still ran good and i loved that it was auto

 

[Gbob2003 10+ year member]

hahaha okay the hennessey viper srt10 does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds and it does 0-100 in 3.9 seconds. the veyron does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. the viper is at 100 by the time the veyron is at 60.

watch smart guy.

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

hahaha okay the hennessey viper srt10 does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds and it does 0-100 in 3.9 seconds. the veyron does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. the viper is at 100 by the time the veyron is at 60.

You can't compare a build company's ride to a production car. I know a man from Utah that has a C6 Z06 putting 850hp to the rear wheels. It would smoke anything street legal to 225. The problem is, there is 1. So I don't include it in any of these comparisons. Take any of your normal SRT10 Vipers and the beefiest one comes close to a ZR1, but still doesn't compete. If you want I'll show you a highly acclaimed car magazine article with side by side comparisons, not some random youtube vid.

Besides, you ever tried to turn at speed in a Viper, let alone ride in one? They are horrendous, cramped and uncomfortable. I've driven a few. I'm 6'4" and they don't like me. My head hits the roof, and I feel like I've been on a roller coaster after 5 min in one. Not something that allows you to enjoy the speed. They have terrible oversteer in the older models, they corrected that by going the opposite and the new ones have terrible understeer. Take a turn 25mph over its posted limit, and you're off in the ditch in these things. The SRT8 was the only one that could handle, but it's not even as fast as a bone stock C6 Z06. Not to mention you could nearly buy a Corvette, and a good family car combined for the price tag. There is a guy in the Vette Club that has a Viper and he almost never drives it. Just bought a Ford GT and uses it much, much more often. The Viper collects dust because 1) it can't keep up with any of the C5 or C6s in the group and 2) he's a big boy and likes to not hurt for 2 days after driving.

 

[Gbob2003 10+ year member]

uhhh the 2010 stock srt10 has 660rwhp while the stock zr1 only puts out 612rwhp. why do you think the viper is renound as the countries best sports car?

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

uhhh the 2010 stock srt10 has 660rwhp while the stock zr1 only puts out 612rwhp. why do you think the viper is renound as the countries best sports car?

Love to know where you pulled that out of, actually I wouldn't. I'm not taking away from the Hennesey, or the ACR. They are amazing machines. If I wanted to spend that kind of money, I'd get a better car however. Of course if I was going for straight speed, I've said before and will say again; I'd take a solid C6 and twin turbo it to put well over 700 to the rear tires, and since its turbo charged, I would still make 25+mpg when I'm not into it. Show me a Viper than can break 15mpg and you win one internets.

According to Dodge, the Stock 2010 SRT-10 makes 600 at the fly....

SRT-10 Convertible

8.4L 600hp

13 city, 22 hwy

$90,255

Get My Price

SRT-10 Coupe

8.4L 600hp

13 city, 22 hwy

$91,005

Curb weight 3,460 lb (1,570 kg) (base)

3,408 lb (1,546 kg) (ACR)

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/dodge/viper/specifications/index.html#ixzz1RRa9ScXG

ZR1 Coupe

6.2L 638hp

14 city, 20 hwy

$106,880

Curb weight 1,515 kilograms (3,340 lb)

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/chevrolet/corvette/index.html#ixzz1RRah1gbn

In summation: More weight, more displacement, less HP, worse F/B weight ratio, worse aerodynamics, and an elongated frame. Yes I see how all of this would stack up in an SRT-10s favor...

Oh wait...

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

You were building some credibility ITT before you said that retarded comment.
Then you're an idiot and a horrible driver. I've raced them around Laguna Seca without any of these issues and I'm 6'5". Are you just a huge fanboy for the vette or do you hate on the viper because your ignorant? You're making judgements because you drove a viper at 25 MPH once? lol

I am a huge fanboy of the Vette, but only after it won me over. I used to think it was just a suped up Camaro and only liked European sports cars. I've driven a few (guess you missed that part) Vipers, at well over 100mph and they were all horrible rides. The owners of them all said they wished they'd have put their 60-100k somewhere else. After driving a Vette I fell in love with how well it handled itself (not near as good as a Porsche or Lambo mind you but much better than it's American rival) and it was insanely fast for such low HP figures.

And where did your lollzy comment go about why the Vette is still in business while the Viper is not? That was hilarious.

I forgot this wasn't 2009 anymore when Dodge said they would stop doing it, but then after the buyout went through they were allowed to keep it. Ninja edited, good catch.

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

I've enver considered the two to be in the same class. They're different beasts IMO. I also wouldn't compare a Ferarri to a Porche.

Quite true, but everyone always puts them in the same boat just because they are 'American Sports Cars'. To each their own, but Viper owners are quite often laughed at by Corvette owners just because of (until the ZR1) the huge price difference for such nominal gains.

Yes, but please also keep in mind that the Vette shouldn't be around anymore either. Chevy pulled the plug on the Vette right before the latest rendition was developed and released turning out to be a huge win for the company. What you see at the lot today was developed secretly behind the backs of the Chevy exe's. Money was stolen from other projects to accomplish it. I think it was awesome that it happened, don't get me wrong, but technically the Vette should have died after the C4.

Very true, glad to see they're still around, however.

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

I've enver considered the two to be in the same class. They're different beasts IMO. I also wouldn't compare a Ferarri to a Porche.

Quite true, but everyone always puts them in the same boat just because they are 'American Sports Cars' (albeit I'd say the Viper is more of a muscle car). To each their own, but Viper owners are quite often laughed at by Corvette owners just because of (until the ZR1) the huge price difference for such nominal gains.

Yes, but please also keep in mind that the Vette shouldn't be around anymore either. Chevy pulled the plug on the Vette right before the latest rendition was developed and released turning out to be a huge win for the company. What you see at the lot today was developed secretly behind the backs of the Chevy exe's. Money was stolen from other projects to accomplish it. I think it was awesome that it happened, don't get me wrong, but technically the Vette should have died after the C4.

Very true, glad to see they're still around, however.

Awesome, I edited my post, and it gave me a new one. Epic server fail

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

"Every proper drag car ever built uses a manual transmission.

Some even go to the extreme of having several gear levers for each individual gear, all separately operating multi-plate clutches.

A manual gearbox allows the drive to be fed through the clutch and drivetrain more evenly and therefore more efficiently than the sun and planet arrangement of gears in an automatic box, which has to spool up to speed to pass drive through to the wheels.

Semi-Automatic gearboxes with automatic clutches are the most efficient method of changing gears, but they’re almost exclusively found in high end sports cars and purpose built race cars like Formula One." - Is Auto Or Manual Better If You Want To Drag Race? Or Is There No Difference? | frfry

I do not completely agree with the above statement (especially the first sentence), but it does give some insight into one of the advantages of a manual gearbox.

It is true that many very fast drag cars use highly modified automatics (*****-brake equipped), but that is a far cry from the guy at the track with his SRT-4 claiming his slushbox is a better transmission for racing than a manual transmission. The correct answer to this entire debate is that in some situations, one type is better, and in other situations the other type is better. But the original statement that started this whole thing was that automatics are generally better for racing because there is no lag between shifts, which is simply not true.

thevic, you are correct about top fuelies, good call.