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Take a look at Memphis' new small amps lineup and compare that to the PDX from Alpine. Better make that 3 audio giants sharing technology. The only thing i can see that will be different is the power ratings, since the buildhouse doesn't want the companies to step on each other's toes.

 
Guts of the Alpine PDX 1.1000

I can't find any gut pics of the JL HDs or the Memphis S-Class. We'll see when they have been on the market a bit.

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i'm thinking that are waiting, so they can throw in some bells and whistles to top off Alpine.

I believe that's what they did after the release of the iDmax. (gasket)

 
Would it surprise you that when CD changers first came out that the CD transports were all made by one of two companies? Sony and Kenwood and a few other companies used the same changers. Only the control bus was different. I'd say that they qualify much more as giants than either JL or Alpine.
You seem to think that you have some sort of insight to the workings of the world. Economics are the workings of the world. There is no sound business reason to duplicate effort in the realm of high tech. You actually think that all the flat panel brands out there make their own panels in house. Last I checked there are a whole 2 makers of the actual panels for plasma TVs. All the name brands, from cheapest to most expensive, buy from them. LCDs are the same way. Stuff gets outsourced. Welcome to the global market. That doesn't mean that stuff doesn't get tweaked by the company marketing the product. Spec changes to some resistors here, transistor specs there, cap values and tolerances massaged a bit and the result is a different amp in either power output, load stability or reliability, but at its heart it's still the same amp. Same circuit layout, design topology and driving philosophy. Built on the same mainboard. Precious few electronic components are built in the US anymore, it just isn't cost effective. Whine all you want about jobs lost overseas, but most people whine more when they see the pricetag of a Made in USA amp. Even overseas where labor is cheap, tooling costs for a new product are not. If you can share that tooling cost with another company and each get a new and differently spec'd product out of the deal, you'd be a business fool not to. JL has proven for years that their leadership is anything but business fools. They may be very different amps, we'll see; but I would be more than highly surprised if this were the case. The similarities will far outnumber the differences.
im not reading that novel man. But I can tell you that no matter what the history of the world is, the Alpine amps and JL amps are not the same design and DEFINITELY not the same technology.

Thanks for typing all that up, but when the time comes, i will bump this thread and you'll see i was right and you were wrong.

 
FWIW, as was briefly mentioned, Alpine uses B&O's ICE technology. The JL HD (their small, stackable amps) does not use ICE and is licensing it's technology from a research program at the University of California.

So they appear to not be identical designs. Without knowing more about the differences between ICE and this other technology, none of us will know just how different they really are. This other technology may be very similar to ICE.

 
I'd be willing to say the technologies are similar, which indicates certain sharing of technology. I cannot, however, agree that the two will be completely different and that JL came up with this separate from the influence of Alpine's tech.

Just wondering tho, since JL is coming out with a new amp, isn't a new sub overdue also?

 
FWIW, as was briefly mentioned, Alpine uses B&O's ICE technology. The JL HD (their small, stackable amps) does not use ICE and is licensing it's technology from a research program at the University of California.
So they appear to not be identical designs. Without knowing more about the differences between ICE and this other technology, none of us will know just how different they really are. This other technology may be very similar to ICE.
exactly, the alpine is what is called a 'digital' amplifier whereas the JL amp will be a regularly driven amplifier which there alone means that the amps have a substantial amount of components that are different.
 
meh, i was hoping more for a W7 successor
you wont be seeing a W8 for a while. from what i heard of people that were at JL's Rep Alliance earlier this month is that there is a new line of component speakers that is priced cheaper than the C5's and will go by the denomination of C3. engineered and built from scratch at JL. we'll see....

 
Can't mess with perfection.

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exactly, the alpine is what is called a 'digital' amplifier whereas the JL amp will be a regularly driven amplifier which there alone means that the amps have a substantial amount of components that are different.
Perhaps they won't be the same, i still believe that their designs will be similar tho.

 
exactly, the alpine is what is called a 'digital' amplifier whereas the JL amp will be a regularly driven amplifier which there alone means that the amps have a substantial amount of components that are different.
You can call it "Little Bunny Foo Foo" it's not digital. It's a Full range Class D amp. The JLs and Memphis are as well. ICE is the power supply design of the Alpine amp, nothing to do with the driver stage, just like R.I.P.S is the power supply design of the JL Slash series for both the Class A/B and D. Also entirely possible that Alpine licensed the same technology for their amps and call it ICE. JL said they licensed it, they never claimed to be the only licensee. I'm still at a loss as to why it is so hard to believe that JL might be using the same technology as someone else especially when they even come out and say that they didn't develop it themselves. I like JL but, comeon...wonder who actually funded the research project...

Whatever. Pointless to argue since no one really knows anything about the final JL product because it still isn't on the market. They're being particularly slow about getting the HD amps and the TW subs on the market. The subs aren't expected to be for sale until the summer and the amps still haven't even made JL's website. Both were displayed at CES last January.

 
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