Slamming a cold subwoofer..

lmao the cold changing the t/s is not going to do jack ****.
As usual, you are an idiot espousing your never-wrong opinion in a thread.

Playing a sub at max volume "out of the gate" in 70 degree weather is different than in 20-30 degree weather, which is probably not going to create much of an issue. Notably colder temps---- zero, or sub-zero---- becomes even more challenging for the sub. The differences should be obvious to anyone with any experience testing a sub...apparently doesn't apply to you , WDW!

The T/S parameters will definitely change in a manner not acceptable to the design of the sub. The softparts, esp the surround, will not behave in anything approaching a "normal" manner, and the Rms values will be increased to a degree that you will get crap response, at best...continual or repeated banging in such an environment begs large enough mechanical losses that the end result could be sub failure, at worst.

Depends on alot of factors, but to say that there will be no negative consequences is simply bunk, and anyone dumb enough to believe otherwise will eventually get their reward.

/discussion

 
lmao the cold changing the t/s is not going to do jack ****. T/s are never constant under power anyway. I live in South Dakota and never had any problems playing full tilt out of the gate.
Thank you. Hopefully no one actually things T/S parameters are constant under power.

Audiophil had a problem with the Skar sub because they had shitty soft parts.

 
I''ll play the sub first thing in the morning when its ~10 degrees out and the only thing I notice is that it isn't quite as loud. Get the heat going and it seems like the sub gets a bit louder after about 5 minutes. Personally, I don't really worry about it, but for the first couple minutes of driving I just don't run it full tilt, maybe 5-10 clicks below full tilt (out of volume 50)

 
Audiophil had a problem with the Skar sub because they had shitty soft parts.
And he also clearly stated that the "problem" extended beyond just the fact that they were stiff. Tested at 34 degrees , iirc.

When he sold me the VVX's that he tested, he told me that I had better know that on very cold days they needed a couple of songs worth of "warm up" before I slammed them, or there would be problems down the road.

 
I''ll play the sub first thing in the morning when its ~10 degrees out and the only thing I notice is that it isn't quite as loud. Get the heat going and it seems like the sub gets a bit louder after about 5 minutes. Personally, I don't really worry about it, but for the first couple minutes of driving I just don't run it full tilt, maybe 5-10 clicks below full tilt (out of volume 50)
Exactly as I would do it, as well...

Why take a chance on murdering your sub(s) ?

 
Exactly as I would do it, as well...Why take a chance on murdering your sub(s) ?
That's the same mentality I have about it...it takes 5 minutes tops to get your car heated up and sub heated up to a point where I feel comfortable running it full tilt. I'm not gonna breaking a $350+ sub just cause I wasn't patient enough to let everything warm up a bit...plus I don't feel like blaring stuff full tilt at 7 in the morning anyways...not right away, at least //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

 
The cold will make the spiders stiffer. Some more then others. Is there no risk of them separating from the basket, or tearing if you push them too hard when they're so stiff?
In the winter, one of my buddy's futureshop specials (MTX 7500 12") was so stiff it wouldn't really play. I thought it was seized, that's how stiff the suspension was in the winter.
I see plenty of subs with incredibly stiff suspensions that don't seem to tear themselves apart. IDK, I guess if it's poorly made it will break under whatever conditions. I'm just not sure what kind of cotton/nomex fabric becomes brittle at 0 degree temperatures.

Playing a sub at max volume "out of the gate" in 70 degree weather is different than in 20-30 degree weather, which is probably not going to create much of an issue. Notably colder temps---- zero, or sub-zero---- becomes even more challenging for the sub.
...The T/S parameters will definitely change in a manner not acceptable to the design of the sub. The softparts, esp the surround, will not behave in anything approaching a "normal" manner, and the Rms values will be increased to a degree that you will get crap response, at best...continual or repeated banging in such an environment begs large enough mechanical losses that the end result could be sub failure, at worst.

Depends on alot of factors, but to say that there will be no negative consequences is simply bunk, and anyone dumb enough to believe otherwise will eventually get their reward.

/discussion
What evidence do you have of any of these claims?

What types of soft parts become brittle? At what temperatures? What power level is safe or dangerous at what temperatures? Whoever is making a case that there's anything to this theory can put up some real data right?

If the cold makes nomex/cotton/polyester brittle should you warm up your car before you drive to keep seats and seatbelts from cracking? How about the foam rubber in your door and window gaskets, surely you need to warm those up before you open the doors to avoid breaking them? Make sure you warm up the rubber tires so they don't shatter from the cold.

I NEVER "warm up" or "break in" any speakers nor ever have for 20 years+ I have always lived places where we get single digit temps and never had a problem with failure in cold weather. Well built woofers won't break unless abused and poorly built woofers or those with inferior parts will break regardless.

 
I see plenty of subs with incredibly stiff suspensions that don't seem to tear themselves apart. IDK, I guess if it's poorly made it will break under whatever conditions. I'm just not sure what kind of cotton/nomex fabric becomes brittle at 0 degree temperatures.

What evidence do you have of any of these claims?

What types of soft parts become brittle? At what temperatures? What power level is safe or dangerous at what temperatures? Whoever is making a case that there's anything to this theory can put up some real data right?

Well built woofers won't break unless abused
Couple comments:

I never used the term "brittle" in responding to the OP's question about slamming a sub in cold temps. I think that was your term.

Cold temps to me means something beyond the norm. If one assumes that a typical operating range for a speaker is 0-140 degrees F, and that a 'typical' test range is more likely somewhere between 50-100, then surely giving a sub max volume immediately upon starting your ride in -15 degree temps is not what most would agree is a good idea. If it is something that one practices with some frequency, that would be even worse. In fact, I would put that into the realm of "abused," where you note that well built woofers will break, but that is just my opinion.

The function of a sub (electrical--->mechanical) is not quite the same as your comparisons to seats, seatbelts, foam rubber, window gaskets, etc.

A bit better comparison might be your car's engine. If you have to head in to work on a bitterly cold morning, do you generally go out and start your car, throw it into gear, and immediately upon the tires hitting the asphalt, slam the accelerator to the floor and see how quickly you can get it from zero to 100MPH ?

Pure foolishness, and imo it is just as foolish to throw max volume on a sub in similar circumstances....simply begging for trouble, regardless of how well built and reliable either the engine or the sub may be.

Regarding numbers, I know that testing the VVX at room temp versus retesting on that cool day resulted in some skewing of its numbers. I likely still have access to that data, somewhere, and will try to locate it. (Recollection of this info is my "evidence" , to use your terminology)

It really doesn't take much imagination, tho, does it, to view a manufacturer designing and then testing a sub at the "best" temperature to garner "best" results for publishing T/S parameters on that sub? If one picks the middle of the ranges, above, that would be around 70-75 degrees.

Is it really feasible that everything will remain the same at 20 degrees? Much less below zero...?

Test any sub as one normally would, with proper box, proper test tone, everything at room temp, and capture its numbers.

Toss it in the fridge overnight, and conduct the same test, same box, same test tone(s) without allowing any time for the sub to warm up...the numbers will surely change a bit. (Very similarly to the actual VVX tests)

Now, toss it in the freezer overnight, and repeat.

For those that argue the T/S parameters are not going to change, I say BS: they have no choice but to change.

Imma be looking most critically at Qts, Rms, Cms, and Bl. I simply have no doubt that they are going to be notably different. And if you extrapolate that even further (to slamming the sub with max volume on those bitterly cold mornings), then surely one can recognize that you're asking for more outta that motor than it was likely designed to give.

In the end, I still say it is good "preventive maintenance" to allow a sub a bit of time to warm up before doing any slamming, but to each their own!

I surely won't be abusing any of my equipment in that manner, lmao.

 
There certainly is no harm in letting stuff warm up though, usually I'll start my car for at least 10mins or so... Of course, in -25F 10mins isn't enough to even have the engine temp needle budge.

 
Look another thread where Mr. flex68 spouts drivel and then tries to back it up with more bullshit. Not only have you failed to comprehend my simple statement, but you have in fact taken off full speed in the wrong direction. I can attest to the fact my sub woofers that had a 1/8'' wide gap, driven in -10 degree weather, were 100% normal functioning. Not to forget I was running a DD z1 at .33 ohms to the sub woofer. No tears, no rubbing, and no my car did not implode. If anything the cold more dense air would make your system pressurize much easier, and run cooler while doing it. I love it when people like you, who think t/s are everything, get in a thread and try to talk about **** you have no clue on.

 
He seems to think that typing more makes him less wrong. But yeah, SPL guys like the cold and hate the hot. If it ever got to the point that it was that cold to freeze up your sub parts inside your car, that's the least of your concerns.

 
He seems to think that typing more makes him less wrong. But yeah, SPL guys like the cold and hate the hot. If it ever got to the point that it was that cold to freeze up your sub parts inside your car, that's the least of your concerns.
I'm rebuilding my sub stage right now, maybe I should reverse mount my current sub play full tilt and spray the bastard with c02. If anything happens but a slightly frosty motor I will be very surprised

 
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