Senate passes 800 billion dollar stimulus without 1 member readind the actual bill!!!

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

i'd like to see the science behind that. i'm not sure that can be backed up.

you do know water rotates differently going down a drain in the northern and southern hemisphere right? same concept. they also know that Alaska at one time or another was on the equator

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Ok, now I'm going back to comment on this quote:


seen in this post:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5893426&postcount=467

First I'd like to point out HOW RIDICULOUS you look to anyone that can think for themselves (by that, I mean someone who discounts the opinions and reporting material of the MSM (main street media))

I'll quote something from Dane Cook.

You have to be some kind of insane to think this, even worse to spew it in a public forum. Every great achievement? REALLY?! Sure some great things have been done on both sides, but to say every great achievement and then list 3 by liberal leaders is a loaded response to further your beliefs.

Believe it or no, a great achievement was protecting the American People for 7 years after the latest terrorist attack, done by the ever-so-hates G.W.Bush. Bush has also helped soverign African nations more than ANY one person or organization, ever. Seems you forgot to mention those 2 things of late.

"libbies" winning concepts? You are outside of your mind. You understand what the CRA is? Community Reinvestment Act by Jimmy Carter in 1977. Bill Clinton later started pushing enforcement, and latest, the recent Democratically controlled congress enforced it further.

What did that do to us you might ask?

Well, what it states was to put people who cannot afford to own a house, the right to a public sector financed loan to purchase a home. This was enforced by congress (of the 90's) and of late as well. These are called subprime mortgages, because they are sub-prime, or below a prime mortgage.

Now, congress forced public banks to lend these loans. Multiple times, banks were sued by the Federal Government because the banks were not filling their quota of subprime loans. Guess who one of those lawyers were? Your lovely liberal president.

Guess what caused the housing bubble? An introduction of new buyers into the real estate market that were not there before. Supply/demand economics. More homes are demanded, prices increase and that leaves us with a monumental bubble, which when it popped, gave us this recession we have currently.

Now where in this do you consider the "libbies" winning concepts?

most liberals can only comprehend simple explanations, such as, "it was bush's fault", anything beyond that, especially if it implicates some of their side also, goes into a black hole inside their brains.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

you do know water rotates differently going down a drain in the northern and southern hemisphere right? same concept. they also know that Alaska at one time or another was on the equator

rotation of the water is a local earth event, not a galactic event. plate tectonics and continental drift,is also a local earth event. these are not valid examples of why the galaxy will signicantly affect our gravity.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

no no noo Obama is special because he puts on one mean cocktail party that liberal media pinheads will give their right arms to attend!!! Geez don't you conservies know anything? LOL

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

no no noo Obama is special because he puts on one mean cocktail party that liberal media pinheads will give their right arms to attend!!! Geez don't you conservies know anything? LOL

I'm only becoming politically active now as a direct result of the MSM (main street media) bias.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

rotation of the water is a local earth event, not a galactic event. plate tectonics and continental drift,is also a local earth event. these are not valid examples of why the galaxy will signicantly affect our gravity.

They are saying it can VERY well shift our magnetic poles..how much I believe it or not I dunno because I think more people would pay attention to it if it were a known fact. It happens every 25k years

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I'm only becoming politically active now as a direct result of the MSM (main street media) bias.

OH please MSNBC spent 20 minutes on 3 shows over this saying it was more important than cabnet members tax issues! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[02dodgeram 10+ year member]

:laughbama, the "ear mark free" administration, has a literal earmark in the new bill. joe biden has close to a dozen earmarks in it. obama must think we're stupid. and in some cases, he's probably right.

The ear mark debate has already been covered, but long story short, what does it matter? Ear marks are why we send our congressmen to Washington. Bringing home the bacon is the primary job of our representatives. It's also a very small part of the stimulus bill, and half of the "earmarks" that are being thrown around aren't in the bill. It's appropriation to various agencies. They'll have to review their backlog and pick the projects that need the most work.

Also, this is the time to do all the little earmark projects we can. We need to spend a ton of money as quickly as possible to put people back to work. If we were sitting on 1% inflation, and 99% employment, this bill would be stupid according to economic theory.

I will concede that there's been some political posturing over this subject, but in the end we can't let symantics tie up the jobs of millions of people.

 

[02dodgeram 10+ year member]

and as far as the republicans go. they aren't any better. michael steele comes out and bashes obama for wasteful spending, yet tons of republicans have earmarks in the bill also. we no longer have representation in washington, liberal, or conservative.

I do feel for people that identify themselves as conservatives. They've been betrayed twice. If you look back at the particular situations, it's mainly for frivolous defense spending, where wasteful spending goes to let loose on the weekends.

It's political posturing. Both sides do it, and both sides have done it for as long as we've had political parties.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

The ear mark debate has already been covered, but long story short, what does it matter? Ear marks are why we send our congressmen to Washington. Bringing home the bacon is the primary job of our representatives. It's also a very small part of the stimulus bill, and half of the "earmarks" that are being thrown around aren't in the bill. It's appropriation to various agencies. They'll have to review their backlog and pick the projects that need the most work.
Also, this is the time to do all the little earmark projects we can. We need to spend a ton of money as quickly as possible to put people back to work. If we were sitting on 1% inflation, and 99% employment, this bill would be stupid according to economic theory.

I will concede that there's been some political posturing over this subject, but in the end we can't let symantics tie up the jobs of millions of people.

If i were a betting man I would say you post what we say on a liberal board then wait until enough libbies inject you with enough info that you actually try using it.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

The ear mark debate has already been covered, but long story short, what does it matter? Ear marks are why we send our congressmen to Washington. Bringing home the bacon is the primary job of our representatives. It's also a very small part of the stimulus bill, and half of the "earmarks" that are being thrown around aren't in the bill. It's appropriation to various agencies. They'll have to review their backlog and pick the projects that need the most work.
Also, this is the time to do all the little earmark projects we can. We need to spend a ton of money as quickly as possible to put people back to work. If we were sitting on 1% inflation, and 99% employment, this bill would be stupid according to economic theory.

I will concede that there's been some political posturing over this subject, but in the end we can't let symantics tie up the jobs of millions of people.

that is ridiculous. we're not talking about 150 million dollar earmark packages anymore. we're closer to 4 billion. and on top of that, spending money doesn't put people to work over the long term. it's not really even proven to work in the short term. short term meaning 10 years. so this is your logic, along with the democrats: in a recession, when our credit markets are failing, we will spend tons of money to get out of it................on credit.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I do feel for people that identify themselves as conservatives. They've been betrayed twice. If you look back at the particular situations, it's mainly for frivolous defense spending, where wasteful spending goes to let loose on the weekends.
It's political posturing. Both sides do it, and both sides have done it for as long as we've had political parties.

Betrayed twice? how so? Remember you said Bush was a conservative

 

[02dodgeram 10+ year member]

But fiscally conservative doesn't lead to Statewide bankruptcy in recessions (see California, soon New York)
I don't care what you say, you're a liberal/democrat no matter what you label yourself. Everything you advocate and believe in is EXACTLY what MSM (main street media) provides us all with, and exactly what Dems/libtards believe.

Now, I can justifiably say I am conservative, but not necessarily Republican, although most my beliefs lean you to believe that with fiscal and monetary policies. Now, I am ok with being called a republican but I prefer conservative.

Now, how can you justify this new budget outline by Obama?

I embrace the label liberal. My first post in this thread started with "I'm a liberal from Texas and I drive a pickup." Not so much on democrat, but I'm definitely more on that side than the alternative.

It's nothing close to what mainstream media provides us with. Mainstream media has to dumb everything down for anyone to understand what they're talking about.

I've already spoken my piece about the budget outlined by Obama back a couple of pages. The cliff's notes version is, read an economics book, but it was much less derogatory.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

I will concede that there's been some political posturing over this subject, but in the end we can't let symantics tie up the jobs of millions of people.

Think for yourself instead of spewing Obama's words. Please next post, give it a try.

And where do you get that this bill will create millions of jobs? Most economists that look at it optimistically say up to 1 million jobs.

And many of those will be taken away from what the private sector would do, so you could arguably say the job creation is negated by wasteful spending and unproductively in a "guaranteed job."

I doubt you even know where the idea of the government spending to encourage economic growth comes from.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Betrayed twice? how so? Remember you said Bush was a conservative

i still get a laugh out of bush being a conservative. he was only labeled republican. he may as well have been a democrat.