Senate passes 800 billion dollar stimulus without 1 member readind the actual bill!!!

You can get all outraged all you want. It doesn't change anyone's mind on an issue. As stated before. I'm speaking in concepts, hence the long winded responses. I simply don't have the time to go through and cite everything I say, and therefore, I'm not intended to present it as fact. Me listing websites all day long doesn't mean jack. I'm hoping to open some eyes, so people can then go and read about things themselvse. Just to counter your link, here's a quick refutation of John Coleman. http://www.uscentrist.org/about/issues/environment/john_coleman
I understand the climate graphs and carbon dating pretty well. "99% of any species/race of life to exist on this planet is extinct - fact." YEAH! And I'd rather not let us be one of them!

Vegetation might be increasing it's growth rate. I haven't seen anything showing that, but I'll accept it for the sake of argument. As we continue to expand and use more dirty sources of energy, nature can't keep up with us. It might be trying, but it's constantly 3 steps behind. If we leveled off, nature might be able to catch us, but right now we're on a runaway train.

We've had record setting year's nearly every year for the past 10 years. Even if you don't agree with anything the man says, watch Gore's film. I'm not saying it's all gospel truth by any stretch (he's trying to make a persuasive argument, so he leaves out stuff), but there's some pretty compelling evidence in there. And before you go off about Al Gore being full of it, he's not the sole guy running around making all this stuff up. Nearly every reputable scientist is saying the same thing. I'd really rather drop the global climate change subject as it's not relevent to the thread's initial topic. That's not conceding the point, but is a whole other can of worms, and the amount of information involved could fill a library.
Well, I'm not going to argue about global warming as it's useless because it's a liberal agenda and fund driven argument.

I'm waiting for you to reply to me discounting your "cliffs" of your previous posts about the budget.

 
LOL how many scientists were fired because they felt there was no proof to global warming? I forget the guys name but within the last 2 weeks one was fired and his reply was "Global warming is made up so members in government can take more control in our lives"
but global warming is real. humans just can't do anything to cuase it, or stop it. but his accusation is still valid. it's a perfect way for thieves, such as al gore, to make millions.

 
wait. you misunderstand, or i didn't explain. global warming is real. i argue the human impact on global warming. example on their science: how long did you hear that melting ice caps would cause the oceans to rise? most of the ice at the north pole is under water. the oceans would actually fall due to the ices displacement, as we all know that ice expands. a pop can explodes in the freezer. they did the math on how many tons of pollution we put into the air, in realtive terms to how many cubic miles of atmosphere exists around the earth. it's a fraction of 1%. we contribute less green house gasses to the atmosphere with vehicles, then the beef industry does because of cow farts. and that info comes from a lefty website.
Just going to address the things you mentioned. I don't want to get off on the global warming tangent too much.

1."how long did you hear that melting ice caps would cause the oceans to rise? most of the ice at the north pole is under water." But alot of it isn't.

2. "they did the math on how many tons of pollution we put into the air, in realtive terms to how many cubic miles of atmosphere exists around the earth. it's a fraction of 1%." I'm not saying I agree with your numbers there, but even a fraction of 1% throws off the balance of the earth. The doomsday scenario is 6 degrees of yearly global tempurature increase, and phsyics doesn't care that we only deal with a range of about 0 to 120 degrees on this planet on a regular basis.

3. "we contribute less green house gasses to the atmosphere with vehicles, then the beef industry does because of cow farts. and that info comes from a lefty website." I know. It's a problem. Carlos Mencia has a joke about it. Something like "vegetarians are doing more to kill us with global warming than beef eaters. They eat all the plants!". I don't know. I'm no comedian.

 
:laugh:the great liberal, joe biden, gave a whopping 3% of his fortune to charity last year.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif i guess taxes must not be as big of a deal to the people who implement them. i wonder if the russians would agree?
Did you know Biden got kicked out of Syracuse University Law School for cheating?

Edit: Not kicked out, caught for plagiarism, etc.

 
Just going to address the things you mentioned. I don't want to get off on the global warming tangent too much.
1."how long did you hear that melting ice caps would cause the oceans to rise? most of the ice at the north pole is under water." But alot of it isn't.

2. "they did the math on how many tons of pollution we put into the air, in realtive terms to how many cubic miles of atmosphere exists around the earth. it's a fraction of 1%." I'm not saying I agree with your numbers there, but even a fraction of 1% throws off the balance of the earth. The doomsday scenario is 6 degrees of yearly global tempurature increase, and phsyics doesn't care that we only deal with a range of about 0 to 120 degrees on this planet on a regular basis.

3. "we contribute less green house gasses to the atmosphere with vehicles, then the beef industry does because of cow farts. and that info comes from a lefty website." I know. It's a problem. Carlos Mencia has a joke about it. Something like "vegetarians are doing more to kill us with global warming than beef eaters. They eat all the plants!". I don't know. I'm no comedian.
most of the schools taught the ocean rising theory in the 90's. what they didn't do, is teach us about the differences in this theory according to which pole were to melt. or both. they left out information. it's similar to the polar bears they talk about in schools now. this year. the ones "starving" on the floating ice. as if polar bears can't swim many miles. they taught my child that polar bears are going extinct because of global warming. global warming aside, the polar bear polulation was 5000 in the 70's. it's 25000 today. it's a blantant lie to move a political agenda forward. global warming is simply an indoctrination device, and a small piece of an overall plan, used to control the future minds of this country. especially if we want to talk about college professors and their political leanings in the classroom. the pollution numbers came from a mathmetician on a local radio show. and he even inflated the numbers for pollution to make the math easier to understand on radio.

 
Ok, now I'm going back to comment on this quote:
seen in this post:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5893426&postcount=467

First I'd like to point out HOW RIDICULOUS you look to anyone that can think for themselves (by that, I mean someone who discounts the opinions and reporting material of the MSM (main street media))
Well someone that discounts any opinion is doing themselves an intellectual disservice. I'm not really Dan Rather typing on the car audio forum. I'm not some puppet repeating what I hear on the news. I will say that so far, nobody arguing on behalf of conservatives has said anything that would in any way contradict Sean Hannity though.

You have to be some kind of insane to think this, even worse to spew it in a public forum. Every great achievement? REALLY?! Sure some great things have been done on both sides, but to say every great achievement and then list 3 by liberal leaders is a loaded response to further your beliefs.
Believe it or no, a great achievement was protecting the American People for 7 years after the latest terrorist attack, done by the ever-so-hates G.W.Bush. Bush has also helped soverign African nations more than ANY one person or organization, ever. Seems you forgot to mention those 2 things of late.
I actually touched on 6 examples, and you didn't refute any of them....

Well keeping the people safe is kind of the job of any run of the mill president. That's job number 1. You don't get points for doing that, and you can't forget September 11th. His presidency didn't start that day. Terrorism is horrible, and I personally expect us to see another attack on U.S. soil in the next 5-10 years, regardless of who got elected. They're fighting us like we fought the British. You can lose points for disrupting the stability of other countries without any sort of exit strategy though. Africa is really the only thing I can point to that he did very well. I wont fight you on that one, and I'm not a rigid idealogue attacking Bush either. The man wasn't a devil, he just did alot of things that didn't make any sense to me, and the American people's concensus seems to agree for now anyway. Clinton's thing might not actually qualify as a "great achievement" so I'll throw that one out. Great achievements don't get handed out to every president. They're revolutionary, and change the entire face of the country.

"libbies" winning concepts? You are outside of your mind. You understand what the CRA is? Community Reinvestment Act by Jimmy Carter in 1977. Bill Clinton later started pushing enforcement, and latest, the recent Democratically controlled congress enforced it further.
What did that do to us you might ask?

Well, what it states was to put people who cannot afford to own a house, the right to a public sector financed loan to purchase a home. This was enforced by congress (of the 90's) and of late as well. These are called subprime mortgages, because they are sub-prime, or below a prime mortgage.

Now, congress forced public banks to lend these loans. Multiple times, banks were sued by the Federal Government because the banks were not filling their quota of subprime loans. Guess who one of those lawyers were? Your lovely liberal president.

Guess what caused the housing bubble? An introduction of new buyers into the real estate market that were not there before. Supply/demand economics. More homes are demanded, prices increase and that leaves us with a monumental bubble, which when it popped, gave us this recession we have currently.

Now where in this do you consider the "libbies" winning concepts?
I've already addressed the housing bubble at length. If you want my response, go back a few pages. It's a legitimate political debate, but I would add that in the last 8 years, it could have been modified if we'd been paying attention.

Your Supply/Demand argument is rather one sided. If more homes are demanded, and more homes are built, it doesn't inflate housing prices on a macro scale. Have home builders been selling drugs out of the back door the last 30 years?

I'm starting to see alot of my points being brought back up, and I've already been at work 15 minutes longer than I needed to. Have fun fellas!

 
If global warming is going on why did the polar ice caps get bigger this year?

I don't need Hannity to think the way that I do and better yet an opinion is still not a fact. I am actually for the working person but not at the rate it kills an already shrinking job market LOL

Some were screaming about the housing crisis but not enough people cared at the time and those who were getting sweet heart deals didn't want it regulated.

 
global warming is fake, its fukn cold out right now
It happens but there is and has been global warming forever. What I find hilarious is when they allow retards to use 3 year old facts to produce commy-mercials about it when infact at the time they are saying global warming is shrinking the polar ice caps they are actually growing at a fast rate.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

 
It happens but there is and has been global warming forever. What I find hilarious is when they allow retards to use 3 year old facts to produce commy-mercials about it when infact at the time they are saying global warming is shrinking the polar ice caps they are actually growing at a fast rate.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif
all global warming is, is a way to control people. they can heavily tax business with obama's stupid cap and trade policy. they can control our travel and tax that also. these people would probably bag up air, and charge us a tax to breathe it. they're already talking about taxing us by the mile, monitoring us with gps in our cars.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif if our ignorant public can't figure this out, they get what they deserve. it seems that fascism is winning. global warming is just another small piece in a larger political agenda. a fascist political agenda, and over 1/2 the country is blindly following it:crap:

 
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