Senate passes 800 billion dollar stimulus without 1 member readind the actual bill!!!

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

Do you live in America or Canada?

Look under his avatar. He lives in Canukistan.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

and our capitalist system has always been charitable. we don't have poverty here. we have relative poverty. poverty in the US, is living in luxury in sudan. free people, in a free market, are far more charitable, than a government politician directing who gets charity, and how much.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Let me re-iterate: I'm not saying Canada is the best. I'm not even trying to say we're better than the US (I spend a lot of time in the US for a reason). All I'm saying is that the posters on this site who believe the US is superior to every country in every way, or believe that Canada is somehow grossly inferior to the US, are simply misinformed. It's what is commonly referred to as "American Exceptionalism", and it's not particularly true anymore (if it ever was).

Huh?

Simple: if we all agree that the weak should die, I'm fine with that. I'm not the weak.

However, we have generally agreed to the opposite, so I can't justify not supporting the weak just because the lazy are in the same group, when the difference in dollars is not enough to significantly impact my lifestyle.

Do you live in America or Canada?

Have you read anything in this thread?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

i think we need to open up the debate between socialist policies and capitalist policies.

This is my point: outside of the US, that debate has never clearly been settled because it is so complex, so why do people here pretend like the answer must be capitalism, or must be Republican, or anything like that? These are incredibly complex discussions that require an open review of everything under the sun (and probably won't result in a clear answer for a long time)...not shouts of evil socialists or liberals.

Mind you, there is quite a difference between being liberal, and politically affiliating yourself as a liberal: most who do the latter don't seem to understand the former.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Let me re-iterate: I'm not saying Canada is the best. I'm not even trying to say we're better than the US (I spend a lot of time in the US for a reason). All I'm saying is that the posters on this site who believe the US is superior to every country in every way, or believe that Canada is somehow grossly inferior to the US, are simply misinformed. It's what is commonly referred to as "American Exceptionalism", and it's not particularly true anymore (if it ever was).


Simple: if we all agree that the weak should die, I'm fine with that. I'm not the weak.

However, we have generally agreed to the opposite, so I can't justify not supporting the weak just because the lazy are in the same group, when the difference in dollars is not enough to significantly impact my lifestyle.

Have you read anything in this thread?

i'm guilty of the superiority point. i don't think our people our superior (kind of an obvious fact), but i do think our societal system is superior. not perfect to be sure. our system is just being run by idiots and overbearing, nannyist politicians. that might work in a different system/country, but it doesn't in ours.

 

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

Let me re-iterate: I'm not saying Canada is the best. I'm not even trying to say we're better than the US (I spend a lot of time in the US for a reason). All I'm saying is that the posters on this site who believe the US is superior to every country in every way, or believe that Canada is somehow grossly inferior to the US, are simply misinformed.

No they aren't. They're trolling.

Simple: if we all agree that the weak should die, I'm fine with that. I'm not the weak.
However, we have generally agreed to the opposite, so I can't justify not supporting the weak just because the lazy are in the same group, when the difference in dollars is not enough to significantly impact my lifestyle.

I can. They are still a drain on society and that should not be acceptable.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Ok, so the system might work with the right people. The question: can a democracy provide the right people for your system?

There was a great book I read a while ago about how the US will never be what it wants to be because it is democratic and the voters are too stupid. The problems they're voting to solve are such low-level challenges that they can't be understood through high-level, political trail rhetoric. It was a very reasonable argument.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

This is my point: outside of the US, that debate has never clearly been settled because it is so complex, so why do people here pretend like the answer must be capitalism, or must be Republican, or anything like that? These are incredibly complex discussions that require an open review of everything under the sun (and probably won't result in a clear answer for a long time)...not shouts of evil socialists or liberals.
Mind you, there is quite a difference between being liberal, and politically affiliating yourself as a liberal: most who do the latter don't seem to understand the former.

in order to be a liberal, you have to think a certain way. liberals are different than socialists. a socialist isn't afraid to admit they're socialist, and will openly debate you. a liberal hides behind a disquise of liberal, in a chicken shit way, which makes any actual debate nearly impossible. i can actually respect an open socialist, even though i staunchly disagree. liberals are the typical idiots that will end a debate they can't win, by shouting "racist" or "hate-monger". there is inherent moronity in being a liberal.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Ok, so the system might work with the right people. The question: can a democracy provide the right people for your system?
There was a great book I read a while ago about how the US will never be what it wants to be because it is democratic and the voters are too stupid. The problems they're voting to solve are such low-level challenges that they can't be understood through high-level, political trail rhetoric. It was a very reasonable argument.

benjamin franklin said that "an uneducated electorate" is dangerous to our society.

 

[MkKin420 10+ year member]

I think Canada sucks, what does that make me?

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

I think Canada sucks, what does that make me?

a liberal would call you a hatemonger. a democrat might call you a nationalist. i call you a bad neighbor.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I consider myself a liberal because I believe in liberty (to the utmost extremes). A real liberal is essentially a libertarian.

The modern-day liberal is a pick-and-choose liberal....liberal in name only.

 

[MkKin420 10+ year member]

a liberal would call you a hatemonger. a democrat might call you a nationalist. i call you a bad neighbor.

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[newusername 10+ year member]

An example is the argument for freespeech (liberty), followed by the desire to supress those who disagree with what you've said. That type of stuff is scary, because people will believe what is on the surface not realizing the depths are frighteningly awful.

 

[MkKin420 10+ year member]

Do you ever find an American nickle in your change? Ive found candian dimes and quarters, and those **** pennies, but never a nickle.