Senate passes 800 billion dollar stimulus without 1 member readind the actual bill!!!

anarchism is what happens when capitalism falls apart. we might be able to see the difference first hand. otherwise use wiki
It seems there is a very fine line between the two, and that line is the same vague line drawn between what we consider a crime and what we do not (in capitalism).

Capitalism is much like regulated anarchism...which contradicts the whole 'anit-regulation' mentality that free-market advocates love so much.

 
There is a difference in my mind between a regulated marketplace and a regulated society. For capitalism to work, there MUST be a strong judicial branch. Reason is that you have to enforce contracts. While the "freedom to contract" is important, the fact the courts will enforce those contracts is paramount. Consider countries in Africa trying to move toward a more capitalistic economic system...the judges are still taking bribes. Bribes destroy contract law. Not to say our judges don't, the behavior isn't as prevalent.

I am easily able to seperate political and economic systems.

And socialism isn't bad...it's actually worthwhile if you want to collar your livlihood. You get a "floor" in exchange for a "ceiling". To most Americans, I think such a system is good. They don't want to make decisions, take risks, and want help when times are bad. I am just against it because I want to be responsible for my failures, as well as reap all the benefits of my successes. Socialism does reduce crime...because it provides a safety net to keep people out of abject poverty and the crime that festers there. In a capitalistic system, people can simply "move away" from crime....leaving certain places of town where criminals tend to congregate, they rob and kill each other and leave me be.

The laws should be minimal to protect the life, liberty, and property of the citizens. Should people be entitled to healthcare, no. Should people be protected from a hoodloom kicking in their door, yes. The "anti-regulation" notion refers to the regulation of the marketplace, not of society. To me, the distinction between the marketplace and society is very clear. I can see how others may not feel that way. People who prefer governance based on morals believe that people behave inappropriately on their own. Capitalism also creates philantrophy. I believe charity can exist with the capitalistic framework and should be more efficient than the government in executing the mission of charity.

Here's an example in my personal life. I am getting that housing tax credit of $7,500. It is more money than I need to accomplish a few home improvement projects, get my savings where it needs to be, etc. I am donating about $1,000 to charity. Why? Because the marginal utility of a family in need is greater than mine for that last $1,000. I'd piss it off on booze and trinkets, this may put food on someone's table. Because I live in a system that allows me a surplus (meaning my income exceeds my wants) I am able to donate money to needs I feel that are worthwhile, not what government feels is worthwhile. If I received less of a rebate, the government would probably spend it on a project that I didn't feel was worthwhile. I am not guided by morals, religion, or any of that nonsense. I dislike the notion that those who believe in "capitalism" don't also believe in the value of philantrophy. If the government was good at meeting those needs, philantrophy wouldn't be necessary.

If I were "king" the people would be able to chose the allocation of their tax dollars. For those who felt space exploration was the most important thing on the agenda, they could allocate their tax dollars there. Thus, federal agencies would become more efficient by competing for tax dollars.

 
Interesting:

Another key component: a new program aimed at helping homeowners said to be "under water" — with dwellings whose value have sunk below the principal still owing on their mortgages. Such mortgages have traditionally been almost impossible to refinance. But the White House said its program will help 4 to 5 million families do just that.
Of the nearly 52 million U.S. homeowners with a mortgage, about 13.8 million, or nearly 27 percent, owe more on their mortgage than their house is now worth, according to Moody's Economy.com
 
I had over 35% "equity" in my house as of two years ago, guessing with the drop in property values I'm probably close to break even or just a little under. The shit sucks
I bought with very little down and have been paying extra. Other houses in the area began to default, killing my property value.

 
There is a difference in my mind between a regulated marketplace and a regulated society. For capitalism to work, there MUST be a strong judicial branch. Reason is that you have to enforce contracts. While the "freedom to contract" is important, the fact the courts will enforce those contracts is paramount. Consider countries in Africa trying to move toward a more capitalistic economic system...the judges are still taking bribes. Bribes destroy contract law. Not to say our judges don't, the behavior isn't as prevalent.
I am easily able to seperate political and economic systems.

And socialism isn't bad...it's actually worthwhile if you want to collar your livlihood. You get a "floor" in exchange for a "ceiling". To most Americans, I think such a system is good. They don't want to make decisions, take risks, and want help when times are bad. I am just against it because I want to be responsible for my failures, as well as reap all the benefits of my successes. Socialism does reduce crime...because it provides a safety net to keep people out of abject poverty and the crime that festers there. In a capitalistic system, people can simply "move away" from crime....leaving certain places of town where criminals tend to congregate, they rob and kill each other and leave me be.

The laws should be minimal to protect the life, liberty, and property of the citizens. Should people be entitled to healthcare, no. Should people be protected from a hoodloom kicking in their door, yes. The "anti-regulation" notion refers to the regulation of the marketplace, not of society. To me, the distinction between the marketplace and society is very clear. I can see how others may not feel that way. People who prefer governance based on morals believe that people behave inappropriately on their own. Capitalism also creates philantrophy. I believe charity can exist with the capitalistic framework and should be more efficient than the government in executing the mission of charity.

Here's an example in my personal life. I am getting that housing tax credit of $7,500. It is more money than I need to accomplish a few home improvement projects, get my savings where it needs to be, etc. I am donating about $1,000 to charity. Why? Because the marginal utility of a family in need is greater than mine for that last $1,000. I'd piss it off on booze and trinkets, this may put food on someone's table. Because I live in a system that allows me a surplus (meaning my income exceeds my wants) I am able to donate money to needs I feel that are worthwhile, not what government feels is worthwhile. If I received less of a rebate, the government would probably spend it on a project that I didn't feel was worthwhile. I am not guided by morals, religion, or any of that nonsense. I dislike the notion that those who believe in "capitalism" don't also believe in the value of philantrophy. If the government was good at meeting those needs, philantrophy wouldn't be necessary.

If I were "king" the people would be able to chose the allocation of their tax dollars. For those who felt space exploration was the most important thing on the agenda, they could allocate their tax dollars there. Thus, federal agencies would become more efficient by competing for tax dollars.
Good post.

 
I bought with very little down and have been paying extra. Other houses in the area began to default, killing my property value.
Yup, thats why the housing bailout part I don't feel so bad about as it impacts me even though I pay for my house and had decent equity in it.

It kind of angers me that housing only gets 75 billion when Harry Reids single pork project LA to LV train gets 8 billion in the "stimulus" plan. Not sure how those priorities in spending line up //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

I would have much rather seen that 8 billion tacked onto housing help....if Obama's housing plan is effective of course.

 
Yup, thats why the housing bailout part I don't feel so bad about as it impacts me even though I pay for my house and had decent equity in it.
It kind of angers me that housing only gets 75 billion when Harry Reids single pork project LA to LV train gets 8 billion in the "stimulus" plan. Not sure how those priorities in spending line up //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

I would have much rather seen that 8 billion tacked onto housing help....if Obama's housing plan is effective of course.
I am at the point where I don't give a shit how effective any of it is...I take advantage of what I can and stock as much as I can away in ibonds and foreign currency.

 
Capitalism, I believe, is a gateway for criminal mentalities and a lack of morals (which I personally believe are just as important as any other part of human life). Then again, you're right, other forms of market act in the same way at times. I guess I'm just questioning the idea that capitalism is the lesser of the evils.
Show me where a socialistic environment has shown to overall beat our system. Anyone that you can show a modest improvement on in areas lacks in another area, and more than likely with far fewer people. So you would rather have a more powerful and rich government that gets that way off of the peoples work or would you rather have a limited control government that allows people to get wealthier? Not everyone who has made money is a crook.

 
I just read the ARRA bail out that was approved.

Fuck all you laid off people. You're going to put what's left of our economy out of business permanently. Seriously, a 60% discount on healthcare that you stick to your former employer? Don't you losers know you already have free healthcare?

 
I hope they do not try and create another artificial bubble in the housing market...the shit needs to go right along with the other portions of the markets or at least stay reasonably close

 
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