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sorry for not being clearer. I meant to say that in the big picture it seems that its impossible to manage and the only way that makes sense would be to keep the supply down and the have a system least complex as possible. But thats easier said if there wasnt such a thing as globalization.

Im 29 but Im pretty old school, love cold hard cash, borrowing/credit make me want to throw up. The mafia didnt get away with the some of the stuff todays lenders do.

 
sorry for not being clearer. I meant to say that in the big picture it seems that its impossible to manage and the only way that makes sense would be to keep the supply down and the have a system least complex as possible. But thats easier said if there wasnt such a thing as globalization.Im 29 but Im pretty old school, love cold hard cash, borrowing/credit make me want to throw up. The mafia didnt get away with the some of the stuff todays lenders do.
well it's all supply and demand, no one is forced to borrow and no one is forced to lend.... besides, if we limit (by pegging to gold/silver) the supply of money we'd have an instant and strong recession which would put people out of work and such....

 
well it's all supply and demand, no one is forced to borrow and no one is forced to lend....
LoL i agree with that but in a consumer society that is pretty materialistic, alot of people are 'forced' to borrow and it all starts with an 18 year old dummy and a maxed out credit card. I would rather have an economy based more on real purchasing than promised.

And why doesnt it make sense to lend you lend your money to the bank for a measly 2% and theyre flipping it tenfold.

 
and the high cost of premium tuitions is ridiculous how could you come out of graduation 75 grand in the hole and not cry hahaha

:edit: being conservative with that number

 
LoL i agree with that but in a consumer society that is pretty materialistic, alot of people are 'forced' to borrow and it all starts with an 18 year old dummy and a maxed out credit card. I would rather have an economy based more on real purchasing than promised. And why doesnt it make sense to lend you lend your money to the bank for a measly 2% and theyre flipping it tenfold.
sorry but I don't buy the "people are too stupid to fend for themselves" argument... If someone was charging for rides on an imaginary glider, off a cliff in the grand canyon I'd say good riddance to anyone he conviced to "take a ride".

As for lending the bank your money it's all about risk aversion... if you are scared that oranges are going to give you cancer and that a few germs on the counter might make you keel over the next day then by all means give it to the bank... it's safe... but if you have half a brain you should be able to make 10% "safely" and 12-15% with moderate risk....

 
and the high cost of premium tuitions is ridiculous how could you come out of graduation 75 grand in the hole and not cry hahaha:edit: being conservative with that number
Well you don't have to go to a premium university! Most kids have a perfectly good state subsidized 4-year university that they can get out of school with no more than 40k in debt which is a pretty good investment especially when the money is @ 5-6% interest from the feds...

Our university system is the cream of the crop right now... it's declining but that 40k is still worth it....

 
sorry but I don't buy the "people are too stupid to fend for themselves" argument... If someone was charging for rides on an imaginary glider, off a cliff in the grand canyon I'd say good riddance to anyone he conviced to "take a ride".....
I dont really get the metaphor but lets go back to the real world, people cant fend for themselves, horrible spending habits.. how else do you explain increasing foreclosure rates other than that people dont know what theyre getting into?

As for lending the bank your money it's all about risk aversion... if you are scared that oranges are going to give you cancer and that a few germs on the counter might make you keel over the next day then by all means give it to the bank... it's safe... but if you have half a brain you should be able to make 10% "safely" and 12-15% with moderate risk....
well if you have enough savings to venture into business or have a diverse portfolio then I agree but most people dont have more than a few thousand on the side and therefore dont want to take any risk at all. And so it goes..the rich get richer..

 
I dont really get the metaphor but lets go back to the real world, people cant fend for themselves, horrible spending habits.. how else do you explain increasing foreclosure rates other than that people dont know what theyre getting into?
The foreclosure rates, well I really do think that was people overextending their reach. A LOT of people got those stupid ARM loans and now cant even rent their homes close enough to break even, yet alone make any money. A lot of people cant even rent them. The lucky ones are bleeding a few hundred a month. The ARM loans were cool if you were going to be out of there in under 2yrs, but too many people wernt informed well enough about that, or were just plain stupid.

Its horrible out here in Phx, the foreclosures are popping up everywere. A lot of apartments converted into condos and those that were late are still for sale, home builders that got their loans too late are now stuck building even though there isnt anyone to buy, ect. Hell countrywide had to take up an $11.5 billion loan so they dont go under.

Whatever, Ill look at is as everything is on sale and buy myself another house when things start to really go south. Im sure we've only seen the tip of the iceberg as far as foreclosures are concerned.

As for some peoples spending habits, I dont know why people live beyond their means but thats their problem.

well if you have enough savings to venture into business or have a diverse portfolio then I agree but most people dont have more than a few thousand on the side and therefore dont want to take any risk at all. And so it goes..the rich get richer..
Most people are in dept, and deep into it. The amount of people that use those payday loans, ect. baffles me. I cant understand how people use that shit, that and charge things up on your credit card and pay it off with payments? You'd really have to be retarded to do that. I dont charge something unless I have the $ in hand or in an accnt & pay the bill the moment I get it. Why should I pay 20% interest on something?

As for the rich get richer thing, well it really does take $ to get rich IMO. The hurdle most run into is they try to take out a large loan in order to do this and end up running face 1st into it.

 
I dont really get the metaphor but lets go back to the real world, people cant fend for themselves, horrible spending habits.. how else do you explain increasing foreclosure rates other than that people dont know what theyre getting into?
Well is that my fault? Is it yours? If people are shooting themselves in the foot let's not ban guns... it's their own fault and they are being greedy/materialistic... too bad for them? You know when a house is forclosed on it doesn't help whoever owns that debt, even if they get the house and sell it, it'll probably be at a deep discount...

well if you have enough savings to venture into business or have a diverse portfolio then I agree but most people dont have more than a few thousand on the side and therefore dont want to take any risk at all. And so it goes..the rich get richer..
Well if you don't start saving early you'll never get any put away.... even at a very modest income of say 50k (with 2 income earners) you can sock away at least 3-4k a year. If you start young that can grow into a huge amount, and the poor get richer... it's amazing how that can happen in America...

 
Well is that my fault? Is it yours? If people are shooting themselves in the foot let's not ban guns... it's their own fault and they are being greedy/materialistic... too bad for them? You know when a house is forclosed on it doesn't help whoever owns that debt, even if they get the house and sell it, it'll probably be at a deep discount...


Well if you don't start saving early you'll never get any put away.... even at a very modest income of say 50k (with 2 income earners) you can sock away at least 3-4k a year. If you start young that can grow into a huge amount, and the poor get richer... it's amazing how that can happen in America...
well you have your head on straight so its all ideal to you but you cant dispute the dumbification of America and the fact that we are raised to be consumers which is why most of the poor who get their first taste of money are tempted to spend it right away.. they felt like theyve been out of the loop so long so why not.

Just check the statistics of people who win the lotto who are broke within a few years.

 
well you have your head on straight so its all ideal to you but you cant dispute the dumbification of America and the fact that we are raised to be consumers which is why most of the poor who get their first taste of money are tempted to spend it right away.. they felt like theyve been out of the loop so long so why not. Just check the statistics of people who win the lotto who are broke within a few years.
Well maybe if the government wasn't trying to coddle them through life or if the schools would teach some common sense instead of "self esteem" crap they wouldn't be so stupid?

To be honest you sound alot more like a liberal than a libertarian...

 
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