Question for religious people.......

[SQL4Life 10+ year member]

just our body alone is more complex than a black hole to me. I just don't see how we could have evolved from prokaryotes which are ***** to the human eye. Us forming a membrane (skin) to protect our body from many pathogens to having hemoglobin transfer oxygen throughout our body to just our eyes alone how complex it is and how it relays information to our brain to be processed. our organs playing a vital and critical role to our body...im a biochemistry major and it just amazes me how every organism on this planet along with every organelle within each organism plays an important role in what we call life...sorry for gramatical and spelling errors //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

we think we are so smart and want answers but yet we can't even find a solution to an alternative form of energy for cars that can be done on a global scale. Life does and has found that solution to producing energy whether it be through light, chemicals etc. and has been doing so for a good bit of time now.

there has to be a supreme being out there that orchestrated this...it could not have been random no matter how long a time period it is given( which i believe is 4.5 billion years ago where the planet earth forms)

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

just our body alone is more complex than a black hole to me. I just don't see how we could have evolved from prokaryotes which are ***** to the human eye. Us forming a membrane (skin) to protect our body from many pathogens to having hemoglobin transfer oxygen throughout our body to just our eyes alone how complex it is and how it relays information to our brain to be processed. our organs playing a vital and critical role to our body...im a biochemistry major and it just amazes me how every organism on this planet along with every organelle within each organism plays an important role in what we call life...sorry for gramatical and spelling errors //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
we think we are so smart and want answers but yet we can't even find a solution to an alternative form of energy for cars that can be done on a global scale. Life does and has found that solution to producing energy whether it be through light, chemicals etc. and has been doing so for a good bit of time now.

there has to be a supreme being out there that orchestrated this...it could not have been random no matter how long a time period it is given( which i believe is 4.5 billion years ago where the planet earth forms)

Bird flu created it self. evolves each time it moves to a different animal.

We can find alternative sources, most people probly wouldnt accept it, theres more too it than us "just not being smart". We were set in our ways, and now that it is hurting everyone's pockets they all want something done.

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

Bird flu created it self. evolves each time it moves to a different animal.

Again, you're religious. Science is your God. Actually, I think that makes you a pagan. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

Again, you're religious. Science is your God. Actually, I think that makes you a pagan. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

umm no, i was giving an example for the sake of the argument.

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

i think half of the problem with the anti-religious and that they must know or have an answer to evrything in regards to something religious or spiritual to accept it. anti-religious people seem to go against uncertainty. which is ridiculous.

we don't know how a fertilized egg knows what to become i.e. a human, mammal, reptile, but people and animals don't stop fucin.

we don't know if socrates existed, we just have some written history about him through his students and thats good enough for us. we don't stop using socratic methods to gain or give knowledge

why do we sleep? we don't know, but we do it and its good enough for us to accept. nobody is gonna say ' i don't understand why we sleep, so i'm not gonna do it'

we don't understand the mind. our 5 senses can't get to it. do we say 'to hell with the mind. its fiction, made up, and i refuse to participate in it'. in fact we can ask questions about the mind all day and most of the answer are gonna be 'i don't know'. "well if u can't answer those questions, u must be making up the concept of a mind".

what does it benefit anybody to know everything? nothin, unless ur on jeopardy. we as humans have a very limited understanding of the world. and our understanding can fragile also i.e. it can change with different info. here's an example i just thought of. it might be stupid and people can critque it as they see fit.

a very nice guy that did so much for you when were at your lowest point was killed by a drunk driving pastor. you curse and reject God and question everybody why God would do thiss to such a nice guy. nobody knows i.e. " i don't know". you ask if God is so good, why would he let this drunk preacher kill him? again, ppl say i don't know. "If religion is so good, why was the pastor drunk? he coulda prayed to celebrate or grieve. he coulda been doin some type of street ministry that night if he was bored". " why would God let somethin fuked like that happen, that dude didn't even do nothin?" you have all these questions that lead to more and more and more questions that you don't get answers to. if u do get answers they're not good enough. eventually you stop beleiving that God exists. if u don't stop believing, then u think God is full of it and reject Him all together. 20 years later you have a conversation with somebody and this happens. you're A and the other person is B"

A: "i had a friend that was killed by this drunk driving pastor"

B:"what was his name?"

A: "Mr. J"

B: "Mr . J?? what did he look like?!!?"

A: "about 5'10", 180lbs, gray eyes and white hair. he was kinda old"

B:" wait wait wait. did have a missin tooth and he was real nice??!"

A" yeah, thats him? did u know him?"

B: "yeah, that motherfuker as a molester!"

A: " bullshit, no he wasn't!!

B: : yes he was. he had a warrant out in 2 states for molestin like 8 kids. i remember that on the news real well"

A: "you're lyin!! he was nice as hell."

B: "i'm tellin you, that cat was a molester. i'm glad his *** got killed. he was touchin my stepdaughters cousin"

you didn't know that 20 years ago. back then it made no logical sense why somebody so nice could die in that way from somebody who was "Gods messenger". what happened to the pastor? he ended up doing 1 year in jail and was fired by the church.. but he went to a rehab program and ended up starting a youth mentoring program. because he did that, a mother bought her troubled teenage daughter to the program. the pastor linked her to a mentor and now the troubled teen is about to enroll in a top ranked university.

because that Mr. J was killed, he couldn't harm anymore kids. But because he was bought into your life to help you, doing better now. you didn't know all this 20 years ago but u do now. you may never have ever ever found it, but thats what happened.

cliff notes=

Mr. J was touching kids

Mr. J helped up put your life back together

pastor was driving drunk and killed Mr. J

No more kids getting touched

Pastor arrested and started a program

helped teenage girl to be a success

your life dreams have been accomplished

do you see what i'm gettin at? does anybody see? my point is, you don't have to know everything about everything to receive some benefits or participate. somthing doesn't have to make complete sense to you for you to do it. we all do stuff that is illogical to ourselves as well as others. its illogical to to kuk around with botulism and get botox shots. its illogical to drive cars and gasoline ignites in the engine. its illogical to be on a quest for 150 dbs of sound when once those little fibers or hairs in your ears that help create hearing are gone its permanent. its illogical to skydive, your chute doesn't open up, u hit the ground with full force but your still alive.

again human logic is very limited. not black, white, man, woman, american or cambodian logic........human logic. if something doesn't fit in that very small box of ours, its illogical to say "well its not true/ it doesn't exist/ its bullshit/its something people made up".........

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

just our body alone is more complex than a black hole to me. I just don't see how we could have evolved from prokaryotes which are ***** to the human eye. Us forming a membrane (skin) to protect our body from many pathogens to having hemoglobin transfer oxygen throughout our body to just our eyes alone how complex it is and how it relays information to our brain to be processed. our organs playing a vital and critical role to our body...im a biochemistry major and it just amazes me how every organism on this planet along with every organelle within each organism plays an important role in what we call life...sorry for gramatical and spelling errors //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
we think we are so smart and want answers but yet we can't even find a solution to an alternative form of energy for cars that can be done on a global scale. Life does and has found that solution to producing energy whether it be through light, chemicals etc. and has been doing so for a good bit of time now.

there has to be a supreme being out there that orchestrated this...it could not have been random no matter how long a time period it is given( which i believe is 4.5 billion years ago where the planet earth forms)

can u tell us how life started on earth? not talking creation here, but in regards to the BB. after it happened, how did the microorganisms become alive and stay alive?

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

What evidence is there? We don't even know who wrote the books in the old or new testament, much less been able to prove that anything non-ambiguous in the Bible happened.

The facts were recorded by eyewitnesses, who gave firsthand testimony the what they had seen and heard. Moreoever, the existence of Jesus is recorded by Jewish historian, Falvius Joesphus, who was born in 37 A.D.. He wrote: "Now there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works-- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and and many of the Gentiles.... when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had him condemned on the cross... he appeared alive again the third day. (Antiquities XVIII, III)

Although his passage has been contested because of a reference to Christ, the fact of his existence is not in question.

Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 112), a Roman historian, writing about the reign of Nero, refers to Jesus Christ and the existence of Christians in Rome. Tacitus, in his "Annals, XV, 44" and in his "Histories" refers to Christianity and the burning of Jerusalem in 70 A.D..

Roman historian Seutonius (A.D. 120) references Jesus in "Life of Claudius" and in his "Epistles X".

The testimony, both Christian and non-Christian, is more than sufficient to lay rest any idea that Jesus, in fact, never existed. We know more about the life of Jesus than just about any other figure in the ancient world. His birth and death are detailed more than the most ancient figures whose existence is taken for granted by historians.

http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=182

Joseph's price as a slave was 20 shekels (Genesis 37:28), which, according to trade tablets from that period is the correct price for 1,700 B.C. An earlier account would have been cheaper, while a later account would have been more expensive.

The Beni Hasan Tomb from the Abrahamic period, depicts Asiatics coming to Egypt during a famine, corresponding with the Biblical account of the plight of the sons of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob'.

The field of Abram in Hebron is mentioned in 918 B.C., by the Pharaoh Shishak of Egypt (now also believed to be Ramases II). He had just finished warring in Palestine and inscribed on the walls of his temple at Karnak the name of the great patriarch, proving that even at this early date Abraham was known not in Arabia, as Muslims contend, but in Palestine, the land the Bible places him

Paul's reference to Erastus as the treasurer of Corinth (Romans 16:23) was thought to be erroneous, but now has been confirmed by a pavement found in 1929 bearing his name

Luke's mention of Quirinius as the governor of Syria during the birth of Jesus has now been proven accurate by an inscription from Antioch

Luke's usage of Politarchs to denote the civil authority of Thessalonica (Acts 17:6) was questioned, until some 19 inscriptions have been found that make use of this title, 5 of which are in reference to Thessalonica.

http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibarch.htm

It was once claimed there was no Assyrian king named Sargon as recorded in Isaiah 20:1, because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20, his capture of Ashdod, was recorded on the palace walls. What is more, fragments of a stela memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

where is my money?

U'll get no thing and like it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Did I offer that to YOU specifically, Dike??

BTW, this *** PM'd me twice and threatened to ban me any any alternate UN's unless I paid him. What a super guy! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

i think half of the problem with the anti-religious and that they must know or have an answer to evrything in regards to something religious or spiritual to accept it. anti-religious people seem to go against uncertainty. which is ridiculous.

It's really not a problem. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

You seem to be confused. Religion may or may not have anything to do with God or going to church. I'm pretty fVcking religious about using deodorant on a daily basis, but I don't go around telling everyone how my deod is better than other's.

Nothing...and i mean NOTHING....has created more pain and misery to human man than religious differences and conflict. Interesting how almost every world religion embraces the concept of ONE God, yet those that have received an ample amount of brainwashing from the church are willing and ready to kill your *** to defend this BS of a superior God.

 

[azbass 5,000+ posts]

gods probably an alien

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

gods probably an alien

Kind of like stargate or aliens?

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

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[SHOemup233 10+ year member]

just our body alone is more complex than a black hole to me. I just don't see how we could have evolved from prokaryotes which are ***** to the human eye. Us forming a membrane (skin) to protect our body from many pathogens to having hemoglobin transfer oxygen throughout our body to just our eyes alone how complex it is and how it relays information to our brain to be processed. our organs playing a vital and critical role to our body...im a biochemistry major and it just amazes me how every organism on this planet along with every organelle within each organism plays an important role in what we call life...sorry for gramatical and spelling errors //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

It seems like something very hard to grasp. But then you also have to grasp the time.

we think we are so smart and want answers but yet we can't even find a solution to an alternative form of energy for cars that can be done on a global scale. Life does and has found that solution to producing energy whether it be through light, chemicals etc. and has been doing so for a good bit of time now.

We have found plenty of alternatives. It just isn't easy to switch over. And it isn't cheaper. So what incentive is there?

Life has found a solution? I don't understand what your getting at. Plants use sunlight to create energy. We can also use solar energy. But the difference is, plant use sunlight to grow. That's all. They don't walk around. Play sports. Or do anything. And humans eat food. It isn't exactly cheap, or easy.

I'm just not quite sure as to what your point is. We have found many ways to create energy. They just aren't free. Go out and hunt your own food, it costs you your time. Or go buy it, and it costs you money. You pick.

there has to be a supreme being out there that orchestrated this...it could not have been random no matter how long a time period it is given( which i believe is 4.5 billion years ago where the planet earth forms)

Did this supreme being create everything, then sit around for 4 billion years and just watch it? Then finally decide, hey lets make some people.

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

hey, u responded

 

[richierich75 10+ year member]

i think half of the problem with the anti-religious and that they must know or have an answer to evrything in regards to something religious or spiritual to accept it. anti-religious people seem to go against uncertainty. which is ridiculous. if something doesn't fit in that very small box of ours, its illogical to say "well its not true/ it doesn't exist/ its bullshit/its something people made up".........

the very same people who are "anti-religious" are the very same ones who asked for "proof" of the so-called "conspiracy theorists" of 9/11 and when the proof was presented called it just a "conspiracy theory" and called everyone else hippies.

As you say, they will refuse to believe what is put before them until they can touch or see it, but even then if the mainstream "public" does not accept they too will not accept it.

Also, isn't a requirement of being a Bush lover to be "born-again" Christian?