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<blockquote data-quote="adio" data-source="post: 4653204" data-attributes="member: 563568">i think half of the problem with the anti-religious and that they must know or have an answer to evrything in regards to something religious or spiritual to accept it.&nbsp; anti-religious people seem to go against uncertainty.&nbsp; which is ridiculous.we don&#039;t know how a fertilized egg knows what to become i.e. a human, mammal, reptile, but people and animals don&#039;t stop fucin.we don&#039;t know if socrates existed, we just have some written history about him through his students and thats good enough for us.&nbsp; we don&#039;t stop using socratic methods to gain or give knowledgewhy do we sleep?&nbsp; we don&#039;t know, but we do it and its good enough for us to accept.&nbsp; nobody is gonna say &#039; i don&#039;t understand why we sleep, so i&#039;m not gonna do it&#039;we don&#039;t understand the mind.&nbsp; our 5 senses can&#039;t get to it.&nbsp; do we say &#039;to hell with the mind.&nbsp; its fiction, made up, and i refuse to participate in it&#039;.&nbsp; in fact we can ask questions about the mind all day and most of the answer are gonna be &#039;i don&#039;t know&#039;.&nbsp; &quot;well if u can&#039;t answer those questions, u must be making up the concept of a mind&quot;.what does it benefit anybody to know everything?&nbsp; nothin, unless ur on jeopardy.&nbsp; we as humans have a very limited understanding of the world.&nbsp; and our understanding can fragile also i.e. it can change with different info.&nbsp; here&#039;s an example i just thought of.&nbsp; it might be stupid and people can critque it as they see fit.a very nice guy&nbsp; that did so much for you when were at your lowest point was killed by a drunk driving pastor.&nbsp; you curse and reject God and question everybody why God would do thiss to such a nice guy.&nbsp; nobody knows i.e. &quot; i don&#039;t know&quot;.&nbsp; you ask if God is so good, why would he let this drunk preacher kill him?&nbsp; again, ppl say i don&#039;t know.&nbsp; &quot;If religion is so good, why was the pastor drunk?&nbsp; he coulda prayed to celebrate or grieve. he coulda been doin some type of street ministry that night if he was bored&quot;.&nbsp; &quot; why would God let somethin fuked like that happen,&nbsp; that dude didn&#039;t even do nothin?&quot;&nbsp; you have all these questions that lead to more and more and more questions that you don&#039;t get answers to.&nbsp; if u do get answers they&#039;re not good enough.&nbsp; eventually you stop beleiving that God exists.&nbsp; if u don&#039;t stop believing, then u think God is full of it and reject Him all together.&nbsp; 20 years later you have a conversation with somebody and this happens.&nbsp; you&#039;re A and the other person is B&quot;A: &quot;i had a friend that was killed by this drunk driving pastor&quot;B:&quot;what was his name?&quot;A:&nbsp; &quot;Mr. J&quot;B: &quot;Mr . J??&nbsp; what did he look like?!!?&quot;A: &quot;about 5&#039;10&quot;, 180lbs, gray eyes and white hair.&nbsp; he was kinda old&quot;B:&quot;&nbsp; wait wait wait.&nbsp; did have a missin tooth and he was real nice??!&quot;A&quot; yeah, thats him?&nbsp; did u know him?&quot;B: &quot;yeah, that motherfuker as a molester!&quot;A: &quot; bullshit, no he wasn&#039;t!!B: : yes he was.&nbsp; he had a warrant out in 2 states for molestin like 8 kids.&nbsp; i remember that on the news real well&quot;A: &quot;you&#039;re lyin!!&nbsp; he was nice as hell.&quot;B:&nbsp; &quot;i&#039;m tellin you, that cat was a molester.&nbsp; i&#039;m glad his *** got killed.&nbsp; he was touchin my stepdaughters cousin&quot;you didn&#039;t know that 20 years ago.&nbsp; back then it made no logical sense why somebody so nice could die in that way from somebody who was &quot;Gods messenger&quot;.&nbsp; what happened to the pastor?&nbsp; he ended up doing 1 year in jail and was fired by the church..&nbsp; but he went to a rehab program and ended up starting a youth mentoring program.&nbsp; because he did that, a mother bought her troubled teenage daughter to the program.&nbsp; the pastor linked her to a mentor and now the troubled teen is about to enroll in a top ranked university.because that Mr. J was killed, he couldn&#039;t harm anymore kids.&nbsp; But because he was bought into your life to help you, doing better now.&nbsp; you didn&#039;t know all this 20 years ago but u do now.&nbsp; you may never have ever ever found it, but thats what happened.cliff notes=Mr. J was touching kidsMr. J helped up put your life back togetherpastor&nbsp; was driving drunk and killed Mr. JNo more kids getting touchedPastor arrested and started a programhelped teenage girl to be a successyour life dreams have been accomplisheddo you see what i&#039;m gettin at?&nbsp; does anybody see?&nbsp; my point is, you don&#039;t have to know everything about everything&nbsp; to receive some benefits or participate.&nbsp; somthing doesn&#039;t have to make complete sense to you for you to do it.&nbsp; we all do stuff that is illogical to ourselves as well as others. its illogical to to kuk around with botulism and get botox shots.&nbsp; its illogical to drive cars and gasoline ignites in the engine.&nbsp; its illogical to be on a quest for 150 dbs of sound when once those little fibers or hairs in your ears that help create hearing are gone its permanent.&nbsp; its illogical to skydive, your chute doesn&#039;t open up, u hit the ground with full force but your still alive.again human logic is very limited. not black, white, man, woman, american or cambodian logic........human logic.&nbsp; if something doesn&#039;t fit in that very small box of ours, its illogical to say &quot;well its not true/ it doesn&#039;t exist/ its bullshit/its something people made up&quot;.........</blockquote>

[QUOTE="adio, post: 4653204, member: 563568"] i think half of the problem with the anti-religious and that they must know or have an answer to evrything in regards to something religious or spiritual to accept it. anti-religious people seem to go against uncertainty. which is ridiculous. we don't know how a fertilized egg knows what to become i.e. a human, mammal, reptile, but people and animals don't stop fucin. we don't know if socrates existed, we just have some written history about him through his students and thats good enough for us. we don't stop using socratic methods to gain or give knowledge why do we sleep? we don't know, but we do it and its good enough for us to accept. nobody is gonna say ' i don't understand why we sleep, so i'm not gonna do it' we don't understand the mind. our 5 senses can't get to it. do we say 'to hell with the mind. its fiction, made up, and i refuse to participate in it'. in fact we can ask questions about the mind all day and most of the answer are gonna be 'i don't know'. "well if u can't answer those questions, u must be making up the concept of a mind". what does it benefit anybody to know everything? nothin, unless ur on jeopardy. we as humans have a very limited understanding of the world. and our understanding can fragile also i.e. it can change with different info. here's an example i just thought of. it might be stupid and people can critque it as they see fit. a very nice guy that did so much for you when were at your lowest point was killed by a drunk driving pastor. you curse and reject God and question everybody why God would do thiss to such a nice guy. nobody knows i.e. " i don't know". you ask if God is so good, why would he let this drunk preacher kill him? again, ppl say i don't know. "If religion is so good, why was the pastor drunk? he coulda prayed to celebrate or grieve. he coulda been doin some type of street ministry that night if he was bored". " why would God let somethin fuked like that happen, that dude didn't even do nothin?" you have all these questions that lead to more and more and more questions that you don't get answers to. if u do get answers they're not good enough. eventually you stop beleiving that God exists. if u don't stop believing, then u think God is full of it and reject Him all together. 20 years later you have a conversation with somebody and this happens. you're A and the other person is B" A: "i had a friend that was killed by this drunk driving pastor" B:"what was his name?" A: "Mr. J" B: "Mr . J?? what did he look like?!!?" A: "about 5'10", 180lbs, gray eyes and white hair. he was kinda old" B:" wait wait wait. did have a missin tooth and he was real nice??!" A" yeah, thats him? did u know him?" B: "yeah, that motherfuker as a molester!" A: " bullshit, no he wasn't!! B: : yes he was. he had a warrant out in 2 states for molestin like 8 kids. i remember that on the news real well" A: "you're lyin!! he was nice as hell." B: "i'm tellin you, that cat was a molester. i'm glad his *** got killed. he was touchin my stepdaughters cousin" you didn't know that 20 years ago. back then it made no logical sense why somebody so nice could die in that way from somebody who was "Gods messenger". what happened to the pastor? he ended up doing 1 year in jail and was fired by the church.. but he went to a rehab program and ended up starting a youth mentoring program. because he did that, a mother bought her troubled teenage daughter to the program. the pastor linked her to a mentor and now the troubled teen is about to enroll in a top ranked university. because that Mr. J was killed, he couldn't harm anymore kids. But because he was bought into your life to help you, doing better now. you didn't know all this 20 years ago but u do now. you may never have ever ever found it, but thats what happened. cliff notes= Mr. J was touching kids Mr. J helped up put your life back together pastor was driving drunk and killed Mr. J No more kids getting touched Pastor arrested and started a program helped teenage girl to be a success your life dreams have been accomplished do you see what i'm gettin at? does anybody see? my point is, you don't have to know everything about everything to receive some benefits or participate. somthing doesn't have to make complete sense to you for you to do it. we all do stuff that is illogical to ourselves as well as others. its illogical to to kuk around with botulism and get botox shots. its illogical to drive cars and gasoline ignites in the engine. its illogical to be on a quest for 150 dbs of sound when once those little fibers or hairs in your ears that help create hearing are gone its permanent. its illogical to skydive, your chute doesn't open up, u hit the ground with full force but your still alive. again human logic is very limited. not black, white, man, woman, american or cambodian logic........human logic. if something doesn't fit in that very small box of ours, its illogical to say "well its not true/ it doesn't exist/ its bullshit/its something people made up"......... 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