Q's for atheists and maybe hardcore agnostics

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

Exactly its not black and white. Which was my point. One's perception is their reality. But reality isnt the same for everyone, they only know their reality.
At one time the earth was flat. It was 'observed' that way. Gravity has always been around but wasnt always understood or called 'gravity' The sun was observed as revolving around the earth.

Just for the record, we still don't understand gravity. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[dragnix 5,000+ posts]

But if I dont observe it and someone else does, than does it still exist?

it depends on how you interpret the existence of something i suppose

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

That's up to each individual to decide, imo.
As logic would have it, if someone suspects something to exist that they haven't yet observed with one or more of the five senses, they go searching for it. Once it's found, they wait a while, replicate the observation to see if they can observe it with the same senses again. If that's successful, it gets labeled with a name/identifier, properly classified, and then usually some kind of instructions on how to observe/understand it so that others may observe it.

If what is suspected to exist can't be observed with one or more of the five senses and passed on so others can observe it in the same manner, then it's a complete waste of time to go around saying that it does exist, imo.

We may not have observed everything there is to observe in the universe that may impact the way something that has been observed yet, but until those "missing links" are found, I prefer to classify them simply as "unknowns" and not write about them in a book as stories I make up to explain them. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I agree here...

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Just for the record, we still don't understand gravity. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Yes, we do.

 

[go_go_thrash 10+ year member]

we could figure out the impact of our observations ahead of time, it would seem like we could account for them.

Unless we are uncertain how the process of observation will effect the result. I was more getting at the observer effect and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

 

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

Yes, we do.

No, we don't.

Maybe on the surface of the Earth, but the equations do not work in space nor closer to the core of the planet which means we do not have a full understanding of it's mechanics.

 

[DejaWiz 5,000+ posts]

That still does not create sound.
Don't get caught up in semantics. Sound waves are called sound waves because someone thought that would make sense since the waves are used to produce sound. Just because they are called sound waves doesn't mean they are sound.

Sound is the byproduct of reaction to the atmosphere in the form of kinetic energy. Our eardrums react to this physical reaction and our brains interpret this as sound. But, here's the real kicker, only if the sound frequency is in a band that our eardrums are able to react to and send the signal to the brain.

Since we can not hear a 50,000Hz sound wave with our eardums, does it mean it doesn't exist? No, of course not. We have built and utilized tools to be able to detect such frequencies and pass along that information to us in another form. Hence, we are still able to observe the presence of a 50,000Hz sound wave only if proper detection equipment is used that can pass that along to us in an observable format.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

do things exist without observation?

According to quantum theory, only potential for things exist. Human consciousnesses is like the glue that holds reality together. You cannot turn off your bias toward the observable Universe.

Watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZtXGq2I4ZI8

The missing link between the animal and God (in this sense) is the Ego. You cannot judge without an ego. God cannot have an ego because He cannot make judgement. God is not good. God is not bad. God is dead.

 

[dragnix 5,000+ posts]

God can def. make Judgement, why do you think it's called Judgement Day //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

Sound is the byproduct of reaction to the atmosphere in the form of kinetic energy. Our eardrums react to this physical reaction and our brains interpret this as sound. But, here's the real kicker, only if the sound frequency is in a band that our eardrums are able to react to and send the signal to the brain.
Since we can not hear a 50,000Hz sound wave with our eardums, does it mean it doesn't exist? No, of course not. We have built and utilized tools to be able to detect such frequencies and pass along that information to us in another form. Hence, we are still able to observe the presence of a 50,000Hz sound wave only if proper detection equipment is used that can pass that along to us in an observable format.

I'm not arguing whether something exists or not regardless of if someone is there with a ***** up their *** to hear it. And using artificial ears as an argument is retarded.

I'm stating a fact based on the definition of the word sound, which you clearly understand. How you continue to contradict yourself is beyond me. If our ear durms cannot interpret a 50,000Hz sound wave then guess what, even though it still exists, IT ISN'T SOUND. It is just a high frequency sound wave.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

God can def. make Judgement, why do you think it's called Judgement Day //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

That idea is worth Billions of $$$$$$$. I'm going to need you to shut up now. Someone might grow a cerebellum and use it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

IT ISN'T SOUND. It is just a high frequency sound wave.

I think you're correct.

 

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

I think you're correct.

That would be wise to think. Because I am.

 

[dragnix 5,000+ posts]

That idea is worth Billions of $$$$$$$. I'm going to need you to shut up now. Someone might grow a cerebellum and use it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

don't roll your eyes at me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

 

[go_go_thrash 10+ year member]

God can def. make Judgement, why do you think it's called Judgement Day //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

For the same reason it is called logical fallacy.