Pioneer Premier P780, P880 PRS, or Eclipse 8445

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

i see with you are saying adam71 but i haven't experienced this and wouldn't see why i would. as i said earlier, i don't like the idea of same speakers playing at different levels.

but in any install honestly do you really need 16 bands? i wouldn't think so. i'm looking at the eq frequencies of the pioneer and 4 of the bands i use on my PEQ, aren't on that list. sucks about graphic, you can't change the Q, what if you want to affect neighboring frequencies as well? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif.

me as well aint calling you out but parametric > graphic.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

i see with you are saying adam71 but i haven't experienced this and wouldn't see why i would. as i said earlier, i don't like the idea of same speakers playing at different levels.

In a perfect world NO ONE would. But what you have to understand is that to YOU the driver of the vehicle, it would sound as they were playing at the same level. The RTA would show them at the same level. Only the setting on your EQ would show them playing at different levels. So in a sense they would be playing at the same level.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

but in any install honestly do you really need 16 bands? i wouldn't think so. i'm looking at the eq frequencies of the pioneer and 4 of the bands i use on my PEQ, aren't on that list. sucks about graphic, you can't change the Q, what if you want to affect neighboring frequencies as well? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif.
me as well aint calling you out but parametric > graphic.

If you remember my earlier post I said that I agreed that parametric is more flexible than a graphic. You have to pick your poison I guess. I'll give up the fact that I can't affect neighboring frequencies to gain control of both sides of the car independently. I use a 31 band PPI graphic eq and I can get a flat response all the way across the spectrum. I don't listen to it like that because a flat response just doesn't sound that good. But you get my meaning.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

And as far as saying a parametric is > graphic I respond to that by saying YES and NO. If a graphic eq can achieve a flat or good sounding response in your car then why would you need a parametric eq. So in short, a parametric is MORE flexible but not necessarily the BETTER choice in some applications.

 

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

yes yes i do agree its more flexbile just as active is more flexbile than passive but by all means does not mean a better sounding system. good argument that will end in a civil manner //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif. can't say that often around these areas, lol.

also x2 about not liking a flat response. sounds too dull IMO.

 

[zachzchw 5,000+ posts]

To be honest, unless you are running top-notch speakers/amps you wouldn't notice a difference in SQ. .

This is exactly what I think everytime someone asks "which ___ for sq" when theyre running stock speakers in an undeadened car.

Not necessarily talking about the original poster, but the countless other threads.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

yes yes i do agree its more flexbile just as active is more flexbile than passive but by all means does not mean a better sounding system. good argument that will end in a civil manner //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif. can't say that often around these areas, lol.
also x2 about not liking a flat response. sounds too dull IMO.

Yeah, tell me about it.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[99StangGt 10+ year member]

This is exactly what I think everytime someone asks "which ___ for sq" when theyre running stock speakers in an undeadened car. Not necessarily talking about the original poster, but the countless other threads.

I would normally agree untill i took out my Eclipse deck and sold it, was waiting for another deck. went and bought a 100.00 sony, new. I was impressed with how it sounded for the price with my stock speakers but didnt sound anywhere as good as my Eclipse. I would say there is a small difference in Sq between a cheap deck and a good deck even with stock speakers. But what ever you chose for a deck it can only sound as good as the rest of the system and the install.

 

[psk1018dc 10+ year member]

Okay, I am definitely leaning toward the 880 at this point. I highly doubt i will ever actually use active crossovers, and the D361's i have are components so I think i will be just fine with their passive ones. I am wondering if i need the passive crossovers at all since any of these HUs have internal crossover networks. The external one seems to be of very high quality and i would hate to just not use it, but maybe it is easier or better sounding if i just use the ones in the HU? Or can I use both? Thanks for all the input everyone it has definitely helped me come closer to a decision (or maybe i am more confused than ever) //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[99StangGt 10+ year member]

If your not going active you have to use the passive crossovers. The crossovers in the deck is just to cut out the low freqs to the comps and the high freqs to subs. they wont crossover the tweeters from the mids, you need the passives to do that.

 

[guy022077 10+ year member]

my .02 i had the 8445 and i am looking at the pioneer to replace it, i am going pioneer i didnt care much for the 8445 then it broke. (i am sure its a fluke ) but all i heard is how awesome this thing is and its 10x better then a m9900 so i got it and i was not impressed,was it good ,yes, am i replacing it with that pioneer,yes. I hear the 880 is the p9's little brother with out the HUGE price tag.i might add one day i am going active and i hope the pioneer is up to the task

 

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

Okay, I am definitely leaning toward the 880 at this point. I highly doubt i will ever actually use active crossovers, and the D361's i have are components so I think i will be just fine with their passive ones. I am wondering if i need the passive crossovers at all since any of these HUs have internal crossover networks. The external one seems to be of very high quality and i would hate to just not use it, but maybe it is easier or better sounding if i just use the ones in the HU? Or can I use both? Thanks for all the input everyone it has definitely helped me come closer to a decision (or maybe i am more confused than ever) //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

wait you state you won't use the active crossovers but then you state that you might want to use the internal crossovers in your HU //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif ? just to let you know, they are the same thing.

the only thing you need to do on your HU if running a passive setup is keep the HU in normal mode. High pass your front/rear speakers on your HU and lowpass on your sub. the only thing a passive does is highpass the tweets and lowpass the mids. you still need to high pass your mids. typically around 80hz. so yes in a sense you will need to use both crossovers.

if you do a search on "active" then you will learn that going active is much more flexbile than a passive setup.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

If your not going active you have to use the passive crossovers. The crossovers in the deck is just to cut out the low freqs to the comps and the high freqs to subs. they wont crossover the tweeters from the mids, you need the passives to do that.

Doesn't that deck have netowrk mode?? or pro mode?? That would indeed crossover between the tweets and mids.

 

[psk1018dc 10+ year member]

Well, upon discovering that the Eclipse has no detachable face I have decided on the 880. I live in Washington, DC, so there is no way I can survive without one. So my decision has been made for me... Not to mention that the 880 looks flippin sweet! And the 780 seemed like a pain in the *** to use on a daily basis with the all in one knob and all. Thanks for help everyone.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[99StangGt 10+ year member]

Doesn't that deck have netowrk mode?? or pro mode?? That would indeed crossover between the tweets and mids.

Yes it has normal mode and network. when in network you will need a amp for the mids and one for the tweets or a 4 channel. he said he didnt want to use the active crossovers so as was stated earlier leave it in normal mode and use the passives for the mids and tweets. Use the Hp in the deck for the comps and the LP for the subs.

 

[Kickerkitty 10+ year member]

Anyone noticed that when it comes down to an 880 and your random Eclipse deck, suddenly all Eclipse owners have a huge boner about Para EQ and 8v preouts? Not picking a fight, I just noticed that this always happens across the various forums...

 

[guy022077 10+ year member]

well ill be the exception to that,im switching from a 8445 to the 880. My 8445 failed within a few months,i hope pioneer will hold up better.