Pacers/Pistons game

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

i'm sure you've heard the saying 2 wrongs don't make a right. well the fan was wrong to throw the cup, but artest was wrong to run into the stands like an uncontrolled lunatic.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

actually the fight between the players was over. players push each other and hit during an intense game. you think artest did not say a god **** word in the whole game to wallace? i assume you didn't watch sportscenter? when artest was hit in cleveland while he was on the court why wasn't anybody in cleveland suspended? why didn't artest run into the stands? also artest can be charged for assult because he exchanged punches with a fan, it was on the news and they intend to press charges but since artest is such a choir boy, he'll get off with nothing. why was artest dumb enough to run into hundreds of people? what if a 10 year old threw the cup would artest start beating him?

Because anyone that kows artest and has seen some of the crazy things he has done in the past knows that it is more than a maturity issue, it is a mental disorder that he has.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

I believe artest did want any piece of wallace and that's why he walked away. If you know the history of artest you would know that he is known for giving people cheap shots that could have ended their career along with getting plenty of technical fouls.

Out of respect you don't pull a guy down like artest did with 40 seconds to go, especially when you have a bad reputation like artest. You have the game won, the guy beat you on offense and now you're going to pull him down possibly injure the guy so that his team doesn't score another 2 points?

The refs were separating wallace and artest. I have played on a team and those players that went into the stands are very bright. How is that going to make the situation any better? It's not. You don't lunge out and try and start something with a crowd of fans that don't like your team anyway. They're fortunate it didn't get any worse than it did.

The pistons could have pulled their starters but may not have wanted to since it was a home game and the fans would have been upset.

To your last statement artest could choose between fight/flight ability, he chose to fight and escalate the situation past throwing the cup just back into the crowd but rather going into the crowd with punches. Now wallace gave artest a good shot to the chin neck area, the crowd throws a liquid on him, but artest I guess confuses the two and thinks the crowd threw the shot to his chin and neck area and decided to go give the crowd some shots.

your right. artest wanted no piece of big ben wallace so when he got hit with a beer he had the perfect excuse to go pick on some fat *** fans, instead he was a ***** who backed down from ben wallace.

 

[Gauntlet 5,000+ posts]

I believe artest did want any piece of wallace and that's why he walked away. If you know the history of artest you would know that he is known for giving people cheap shots that could have ended their career along with getting plenty of technical fouls.

Is that hard to believe he didn't want any trouble? He has clearly worked on his temper, as he was only suspended for one game last year. Either way, it's completely irrelevant. All these arguments are ridiculous. He has a horrible past, so he tries to learn the error of his ways by becoming passive and ignoring Ben Wallace, but apparently he becomes a bit*h in the process because he backed down. But if he did do something he's just another psycho who can't control his anger. It's a no-win situation.

Out of respect you don't pull a guy down like artest did with 40 seconds to go, especially when you have a bad reputation like artest. You have the game won, the guy beat you on offense and now you're going to pull him down possibly injure the guy so that his team doesn't score another 2 points?The refs were separating wallace and artest. I have played on a team and those players that went into the stands aren't very bright. How is that going to make the situation any better? It's not. You don't lunge out and try and start something with a crowd of fans that don't like your team anyway. They're fortunate it didn't get any worse than it did.

The Pistons won the championship last year by playing hard all 48 minutes, regardless of the score or who was on the court. You try and score and someone's gonna try to stop you. It's quite simple.

The pistons could have pulled their starters but may not have wanted to since it was a home game and the fans would have been upset.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Stop making irrational arguments to support your unfounded claims.

To your last statement artest could choose between fight/flight ability, he chose to fight and escalate the situation past throwing the cup just back into the crowd but rather going into the crowd with punches. Now wallace gave artest a good shot to the chin neck area, the crowd throws a liquid on him, but artest I guess confuses the two and thinks the crowd threw the shot to his chin and neck area and decided to go give the crowd some shots.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif Wallace had the exact same decision to make. He could have choose to take the foul like a normal person and stepped up to the line, he didn't. He could have chose to stop talking shit and getting in peoples faces, he didn't. He could have chose to not throw a towel in Artest's face, he didn't. Artest could have chose to not go in the stands, he didn;t.

Again, I am not saying that what Artest did was completely right, but it makes no sense to call out Artest for his reaction and completely ignore what Wallace did. Both share equal responsibility.

 

[LBX2G 10+ year member]

i just want to say one last thing. Did any one see ESPN and the comment DAvid stern made. He said that this roit was showing how our civil society was braking down. WTF ??????????

 

[LBX2G 10+ year member]

Kicking the president. And having a cup filled with beer land on a pro-athlete is two different things.
Instead of rising above the situation the players instead sunk below it by throwing punches.

hold on the comment I made was about the Young buck shit.

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

i just one last thing to say. Did any one see ESPN and the comment DAvid stern made. He said that this roit was showing how our civil society was braking down. WTF ??????????

They always over analyze everything... Emotions often run high at sporting events, our pro sports actually have a decent reputation compared to other countries.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Is that hard to believe he didn't want any trouble? He has clearly worked on his temper, as he was only suspended for one game last year. Either way, it's completely irrelevant. All these arguments are ridiculous. He has a horrible past, so he tries to learn the error of his ways by becoming passive and ignoring Ben Wallace, but apparently he becomes a bit*h in the process because he backed down. But if he did do something he's just another psycho who can't control his anger. It's a no-win situation.



The Pistons won the championship last year by playing hard all 48 minutes, regardless of the score or who was on the court. You try and score and someone's gonna try to stop you. It's quite simple.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Stop making irrational arguments to support your unfounded claims.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif Wallace had the exact same decision to make. He could have choose to take the foul like a normal person and stepped up to the line, he didn't. He could have chose to stop talking shit and getting in peoples faces, he didn't. He could have chose to not throw a towel in Artest's face, he didn't. Artest could have chose to not go in the stands, he didn;t.

Again, I am not saying that what Artest did was completely right, but it makes no sense to call out Artest for his reaction and completely ignore what Wallace did. Both share equal responsibility.

artest manages to hold his temper against wallace, who is his size and would gve him a good fight yet he runs into the stands after someone who is much weaker then him. the fight between the players had cooled off and then something was thrown. ben wallace has no control over how 20,000 people are going to react. if wallace started the brawl why didn't anyone go after wallace? why didn't artest charge wallace?

 

[Gauntlet 5,000+ posts]

artest manages to hold his temper against wallace, who is his size and would gve him a good fight yet he runs into the stands after someone who is much weaker then him. the fight between the players had cooled off and then something was thrown. ben wallace has no control over how 20,000 people are going to react. if wallace started the brawl why didn't anyone go after wallace? why didn't artest charge wallace?

Ben Wallace does have control over how the few fans that didn't leave the arena would react. If you watch the replay, notice the fans were silent after the foul. Once he pushes Artest, the crowd went nuts.

 

[LBX2G 10+ year member]

Ben Wallace does have control over how the few fans that didn't leave the arena would react. If you watch the replay, notice the fans were silent after the foul. Once he pushes Artest, the crowd went nuts.

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[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Ben Wallace does have control over how the few fans that didn't leave the arena would react. If you watch the replay, notice the fans were silent after the foul. Once he pushes Artest, the crowd went nuts.

ben wallace had nothing to do with artest getting up and running in the stands. the fight between the players had died down, artest was laying on the scorers table, everything was ended between him and wallace, then he gets hit and shows his immaturity and unprofessionalism by running in the fans after a fan. wallace is not a crowd baby sitter who can stop whoever decides to throw shit. this shit happens to pros. if artest can't handle a little cup of water he needs to find a new career. he should've taken his anger out on wallace.

 

[imready77 10+ year member]

ben wallace had nothing to do with artest getting up and running in the stands. the fight between the players had died down, artest was laying on the scorers table, everything was ended between him and wallace, then he gets hit and shows his immaturity and unprofessionalism by running in the fans after a fan. wallace is not a crowd baby sitter who can stop whoever decides to throw shit. this shit happens to pros. if artest can't handle a little cup of water he needs to find a new career. he should've taken his anger out on wallace.

No it was not over because your boy Ben Wallace kept runnin his mouth and throwin shit. I understand that Detroit is your team and all but come on now you need to quit being bias. Alot of yall just pure hate Ron Artest. the Pistons had Bill Lambeer years ago and was the dirtiest team in NBA history and piston fans cheerd that but ron artest fouls ben wallace and yall boo come on now. Ron Artest plays the same way that Ben Wallace plays on defense HARD!!!. I've seen Wallace mess people up bad foulin them but shit ain't said about that. if Ron Artest played for the Pistons you wouldn't be sayin this stuff. I bet you hated Rasheed Wallace before he came to Detroit.

I don't like the Pacers but I like the Pistons so don't try to bring that into the discussion.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

No it was not over because your boy Ben Wallace kept runnin his mouth and throwin shit. I understand that Detroit is your team and all but come on now you need to quit being bias. Alot of yall just pure hate Ron Artest. the Pistons had Bill Lambeer years ago and was the dirtiest team in NBA history and piston fans cheerd that but ron artest fouls ben wallace and yall boo come on now. Ron Artest plays the same way that Ben Wallace plays on defense HARD!!!. I've seen Wallace mess people up bad foulin them but shit ain't said about that. if Ron Artest played for the Pistons you wouldn't be sayin this stuff. I bet you hated Rasheed Wallace before he came to Detroit.
I don't like the Pacers but I like the Pistons so don't try to bring that into the discussion.

the difference between the bad boys and artest is they never lost there composure and ran into the stands attacking fans. i know rasheed has had his bad moments. i never really payed much attention to him before detroit. he just ran his mouth all the time and threatened a ref and he got punished for threatening a ref but nobody said it was somebody elses fault. obviously you don't watch pistons basketball because ben wallace is not a dirty player. i never really liked nor disliked artest. artest has a lot of flagarant fouls, he has given detroit fans the finger in last years playoffs, and through an elbow to hamiltons face after he had already broke his nose twice. look if ben wallace fouls somebody they have the right to go and smack him up if he can. artest was laying on the scorers table instead of going over to his bench just laying there asking for someone to hit him. if we think along your lines then, maybe if artest then lets wallace get the lay-up with under a minute to go with a 15 point lead instead of fouling, none of this would have happened. i don't know why people bring up rasheed when he had nothing to with any of this.

 

[LivinLoud 10+ year member]

Fouls happen 30 times throughout a game

Thats fine if Wallace thought that the foul was uncalled for and wanted to get pissed off about it, but he definetly didnt need to keep going after Artest and taunting him.

Go to the free throw line make your two free throws and none of this would have happened. How many times does it need to be pointed out?

If all your going to do is keep arguing about it then just drop it. Seriously.

I didnt make this thread to be having people argue about it, but it seems that thats the only thing the immature idiots know how to do on this board.

Drop it already.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Fouls happen 30 times throughout a game
Thats fine if Wallace thought that the foul was uncalled for and wanted to get pissed off about it, but he definetly didnt need to keep going after Artest and taunting him.

Go to the free throw line make your two free throws and none of this would have happened. How many times does it need to be pointed out?

If all your going to do is keep arguing about it then just drop it. Seriously.

I didnt make this thread to be having people argue about it, but it seems that thats the only thing the immature idiots know how to do on this board.

Drop it already.

why don't you drop the fact of always pinning the blame on ben wallace. so let me see here, ben wallace pushes artest, and that gives artest the right to run into the stands and attack fans. i love your logic.