yeah but you can get two ap1500 for less than one sundown1200, plain and simple, now try explaining that to a young kid, with a limited budget, i could make a amp and spec it as being a 1000 watt amp (but really a 2000 watt amp) watts are watts, question is how much u wanna pay for the same watts. as far as reliablity, is see no diff in the two brands, of all the post i've read, it seems to me that more sundown products goes in for repair, more times than i've read audiopipe products having too. Sure if you break your sundown amp, and u can get a new one real fast, but that doesn't justify them to be as good as any other brands, All is see is just a company tring to get it customer base. belive me all the brands started out like this. As long as you run you amp within specs, and send in your warranty papers, you'll be fine with either brand, most brands give you atleast 1 year, Many people in here keep their amps less then that.