ohh silly sonic electronix..

[retrojordans 10+ year member]

They are generally useless if you're trying to use them to solve voltage drop issues. That's a fact. They have their place, but that's not it. - Wrong Clueless
Yes 3000 watts on a tone or burp can draw massive current, however music as you pointed out doesn't work like that. Even the heavy bass music I listen to still has enough breaks for the alternator to keep my batteries fully charged. - Alternators do not charge batteries all the way you need to perform maintenance on batteries for them to live up to their full potential. Tones and burps are in music and draw current.

A battery is definitely 100x more effective than a cap, especially in the scenario YOU described of a steady tone/burp. A cap is especially useless in that regard where, by your own words, it "dumps it on command". - Completely wrong. Capacitors can deliver power extremely fast..Much faster than batteries. They then recharge hundreds of times faster than batteries. The length of time a cap can deliver power is dependent on it's capacity...

"So first of all you aren't seeing 3,000 watts with no voltage drop on a 135 amp alt and a $100 deka battery...at all."

If you don't believe me I'll have a video up tomorrow of me playing full tilt, windshield wipers on, headlights and interior lights with my DMM metered.

You are not getting 3,000 watts...From a 135 amp alt and a $100 battery without any voltage drop I can guarantee it.

Not exactly bullshit, an extra 105AH can make a big difference...

Like I said, I agree alternators are important, however (like batteries) they are over-stressed. You need both to tango, a decent alt and a good power reserve. - Completely wrong. If your alternator(s)' output is adequate there is absolutely no need for a battery to run mobile electronics equipment while the car is running.

As you can see I highlighted everything false or just misunderstood in red, and the whole of what he typed is red.

This person is clearly very misinformed.

 

[T.I.K. 10+ year member]

As you can see I highlighted everything false or just misunderstood in red, and the whole of what he typed is red.
This person is clearly very misinformed.

You must have lots of capacitors to make sure your superiority doesn't suffer any ego drops.

 

[Kangaroux 5,000+ posts]

As you can see I highlighted everything false or just misunderstood in red, and the whole of what he typed is red.
This person is clearly very misinformed.

i honestly hope youre trolling. batteries will always be better than caps. caps may be able to charge extremely quickly, but the amount of energy they let out in a burst is so minuscule it hardly makes a difference. doesn't matter if batts don't recharge as fast because they can hold a much larger charge than caps. using your logic, competitors should be using cap banks instead of battery banks because of their ability to recharge quickly.

 

[retrojordans 10+ year member]

You must have lots of capacitors to make sure your superiority doesn't suffer any ego drops.

Hop off my nuts kid.

 

[tpmeredith 10+ year member]

As you can see I highlighted everything false or just misunderstood in red, and the whole of what he typed is red.
This person is clearly very misinformed.

I'll have my video up tomorrow since you're so skeptical. They may deliver power faster, but it's a tiny fraction of the amount of power a battery can deliver. As I said, once it's load is up, it has to wait until the bass stops to refill its load.

"Completely wrong. If your alternator(s)' output is adequate there is absolutely no need for a battery to run mobile electronics equipment."

True, however as you said "In high-wattage scenarios" (Obviously not mine) unless you want to run multiple H/O alts, a single H/O alt and batteries are a must.

 

[T.I.K. 10+ year member]

I'll have my video up tomorrow since you're so skeptical. They may deliver power faster, but it's a tiny fraction of the amount of power a battery can deliver. As I said, once it's load is up, it has to wait until the bass stops to refill its load.
"Completely wrong. If your alternator(s)' output is adequate there is absolutely no need for a battery to run mobile electronics equipment."

True, however as you said "In high-wattage scenarios" (Obviously not mine) unless you want to run multiple H/O alts, a single H/O alt and batteries are a must.

He owns a SAZ4500, he obviously is an expert in high wattage systems.

 

[retrojordans 10+ year member]

i honestly hope youre trolling. batteries will always be better than caps. caps may be able to charge extremely quickly, but the amount of energy they let out in a burst is so minuscule it hardly makes a difference. doesn't matter if batts don't recharge as fast because they can hold a much larger charge than caps. using your logic, competitors should be using cap banks instead of battery banks because of their ability to recharge quickly.

They compete largely in competitions where the vehicle has to be turned off. Not to mention the people you are talking about usually run 4+ huge high output alternators. You wouldn't know that though.

Even a small Xstatic Batcap can put out 500amps for 2 seconds every 2 seconds as long as it's getting a charge.

You are really uninformed man...Seriously books are your friend.

Stop talking...ROFL.

 

[Kangaroux 5,000+ posts]

They compete largely in competitions where the vehicle has to be turned off. You wouldn't know that though.
Even a small Xstatic Batcap can put out 500amps for 2 seconds every millisecond.

Man you are really uninformed man...Seriously books are your friend.

Stop talking...ROFL.

there goes your ego again. you should go see someone about that.

you got any books i can go and buy? because i obviously have been doing this stuff completely wrong.

 

[T.I.K. 10+ year member]

there goes your ego again. you should go see someone about that.
you got any books i can go and buy? because i obviously have been doing this stuff completely wrong.

Those books probably cost almost as much as his SAZ-4500D that produces a staggering 6920w at .5 ohms nominal rising to 1.31 ohms on 17.9 volts.

Not to mention it's expansive list of features, including but not limited to:

-Double Sided Through Hole Epoxy PCB

-Efficiency : 86% @ 4 ohm, at 100Hz

-24dB/Oct Variable Crossover

-Multi-Way Protection Circuitry

-(Thermal/Over Current/Speaker Short/Speaker DC Protection)

-Variable Subsonic Filter

-Variable Bass Boost

-Variable Low Pass Filter

-Variable Phase Shift

-Dual Zero(0) Gauge Power Supply Connectors

-Tested Voltage & THD : 12.8V & Less than 1% THD

-Operating Voltage : DC 10V~18V (Absolute Maximum 18.5 volts)

-Digital Class-D Linkable Mono Block Amplifier

-1 Ohm Stability

-Wired Remote Controller

 

[retrojordans 10+ year member]

there goes your ego again. you should go see someone about that.
you got any books i can go and buy? because i obviously have been doing this stuff completely wrong.

If -- while your car is running -- you are drawing on your battery(s) for power your alternator(s) is not able to keep up with current draws. Batteries are not meant to supply huge long term amperage draws. Neither are capacitors. Alternators are. Alternators are designed to use a gasoline engine to produce DC current for years.

If you need 1000 amps of current..Your car has room for 3 alternators under the hood...You run 3 alternators under the hood. There is no room for any more alternators under the hood, but those 3 alts are giving you 300a each..900amps...Still short...You need to cover 100 amps from somewhere...I'd run a Batcap or even multiple batcaps for that steady 100amps rather than a battery. They are just better than the majority of batteries for the money..

As far as this 1 farad non-sense...I lol at that garbage too...Most things marketed specifically to 18 year old suburban kids with Christmas money are going to be bullshit...lol

Oh wai...You're 18 and don't know shiit about life...O Hai.

 

[T.I.K. 10+ year member]

If -- while your car is running -- you are drawing on your battery(s) for power your alternator(s) is not able to keep up with current draws. Batteries are not meant to supply huge long term amperage draws. Neither are capacitors. Alternators are. Alternators are designed to use a gasoline engine to produce DC current for years.
If you need 1000 amps of current..Your car has room for 3 alternators under the hood...You run 3 alternators under the hood. There is no room for any more alternators under the hood, but those 3 alts are giving you 300a each..900amps...Still short...You need to cover 100 amps from somewhere...I'd run a Batcap or even multiple batcaps for that steady 100amps rather than a battery. They are just better than the majority of batteries for the money..

As far as this 1 farad non-sense...I lol at that garbage too...Most things marketed specifically to 18 year old suburban kids with Christmas money are going to be bullshit...lol

Oh wai...You're 18 and don't know shiit about life...O Hai.

Life = car audio?

you should really re-evaluate your 'life'

 

[retrojordans 10+ year member]

600 Benz, Condo 600 grand

I got 12 hundred kicks them b*tches straight from Japan

Yeh

 

[T.I.K. 10+ year member]

Yeh

This insult will make sense around the same time that caps become better power supplies than batteries.

 

[retrojordans 10+ year member]

This insult will make sense around the same time that caps become better power supplies than batteries.

Yeh

 

[T.I.K. 10+ year member]

Yeh