North American Union? F*ck that

[Injected54 10+ year member]

This sucks, I don't wanna be a fucken canadian dewd. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[Pootie 10+ year member]

Chees have you watched this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...52901009&hl=en

Basically states everything you already said

 

[richierich75 10+ year member]

lol, i love the conspiracy theorist. Zeigeist was a good documentary, but there are flaws in what they say. I'm sure if there are more research done, flaws would be seen in this whole North American Union stuff also

funny, most conspiracy theories have been derived by half truth's - it just depends on which half you choose to believe. Most people, majority on here, refuse to search for the truth; rather they choose to believe that our government would never intentionally do what is being said and chalk it up to people being paranoid and conspiracy theorists.

As for the flaws of the Zeigeist - please elaborate....

NMA - please research it and point out any discrepancy's in which you find cause the wheels are all ready in motion and pieces of the NMA are all ready in place.

 

[BryanCain]

I think this is what they teach people to get them to go along with world government. That it will be a benefit to humanity (which it can be if like you said, was used without abuse of power).
But look at the facts. The facts are, they are killing, lying, and committing many crimes to make this world government come about. You believe that these murderers and scam artists are going to mysteriously turn into saints as soon as they gain world control? To me that doesn't make any sense, although I hope to GOD that you are right.

Here's another quote from the protocols:

Protocol 9:

3. For us there are not checks to limit the range of our activity. Our Super-Government subsists in extra-legal conditions which are described in the accepted terminology by the energetic and forcible word - Dictatorship. I am in a position to tell you with a clear conscience that at the proper time we, the law-givers, shall execute judgment and sentence, we shall slay and we shall spare, we, as head of all our troops, are mounted on the steed of the leader. We rule by force of will, because in our hands are the fragments of a once powerful party, now vanquished by us. AND THE WEAPONS IN OUR HANDS ARE LIMITLESS AMBITIONS, BURNING GREEDINESS, MERCILESS VENGEANCE, HATREDS AND MALICE.

 

4. IT IS FROM US THAT THE ALL-ENGULFING TERROR PROCEEDS. WE HAVE IN OUR SERVICE PERSONS OF ALL OPINIONS, OF ALL DOCTRINES, RESTORATING MONARCHISTS, DEMAGOGUES, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND UTOPIAN DREAMERS OF EVERY KIND. We have harnessed them all to the task: EACH ONE OF THEM ON HIS OWN ACCOUNT IS BORING AWAY AT THE LAST REMNANTS OF AUTHORITY, IS STRIVING TO OVERTHROW ALL ESTABLISHED FORM OF ORDER. By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquility, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE THEM PEACE UNTIL THEY OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGE OUR INTERNATIONAL SUPER-GOVERNMENT, AND WITH SUBMISSIVENESS.

Does this sound like a group of people that are going to use their world dictatorship for good once they get it? Maybe they just want you to believe that they will so that you help them achieve it? I sure hope you're right, but it sure don't look that way to me man...

I hope you check back to this thread and respond, I'd like to hear your reasonings...

You would like to further understand my reasoning? Well, I'd like to share my reasoning with you, then.

Reasoning:

A. Many of these so called conspiracy theorists; many of these so called Freedom-Fighters; many of these web sites are created by people with unusual intentions. People with the same MALICE intent that you're allegedly against. Most of them do not even understand themselves yet alone the human mind.

B. Most of the elite in control of the world have highly educated advisers on their team. These advisers are highly intelligent individuals and they have definitely earned their stripes. In fact, I would rather have the elite of commerce dictating the future state of the economy purely because of the fact that intelligence is the driving force. An individual operating on his own beliefs about reality is not going to be able to reach proper conclusions. You need to have a team.

C. It's all about business. I believe that the elite have to much to lose to enslave humanity. The conglomerate's profits are absolutely at stake. A titan of industry would not enslave humanity, purely based around the fact that if this were to happen people would just quit producing. And if production stops on the individual level, then their profits stop flowing.

D. I believe that the world is moving towards harmonized commerce and a constellational society. The idea of a one world government can only be to stabilize commerce. There would be no reason I can conceive of why they would want to all of a sudden have the game stop being played. These are all entrepreneurs and big business people who finalize the decisions of which direction we go in. Why would they want to halt human advancement all of a sudden when it has made them so rich. They did have to give something to get to where they are. There is no such reality as something for nothing. Have you thought about this very important fact. All of these people have had to give something to humanity initially, or they would not be where they are.

E. The only answer is one world government with money backed by gold. If they have to kill people to get there, then it must be done. Obviously, it's a touchy and emotional subject to the masses. As you know, emotions out weigh ration in the traditional human being. It is hard for many people to rationally see it. Emotions have clouded their vision.

What they are doing with the current economic crisis is causing emotional stress and depression so that we'll demand a North American Dollar. Once this happens, you'll see Mexico's economy rise like a hot pocket. Initially, it we'll be a brand new currency who is not inflated. While it will be fiat currency backed by debt, it will be praised because of the masses economic ignorance. They will not be able to see the risks of the inflation.

One currency backed by gold at the end of the tunnel is the final answer for all this. It alleviates a lot of economical problems because it is stable money. If an area does badly, it is not going to be because of the money supply anymore. It isn't rational, possible, or conceivable to have a one world government who's money is backed by debt. It will absolutely collapse eventually, ala the current American economy.

One world government would be the foundational laying bricks of building a constellational society. We've had nationalism in the past. Now we'll have earth as the ultimate nation. In my opinion, that is how it should be if we are to ever colonize space.

Finally, I've reached many conclusions and these fit best with me. You yourself know all the reason why it will not work, can't work, and negativities. But, have you thought of why it might work, could work, and may work?

The simple truth is, the people get the government they deserve. If we all co-operate, like we should, then another form of government will manifest. Possibly what is happening right now is the detainment of irrational people.

The Middle East is an excellent example. These people are crazy. I believe what is going on over there is more or less an attempt to civilize the people, even if through chaos. The elite will not stop doing this either because it has to be done.

How are we to be free as a human race if we have a piece of the world where 99% of their population will at the whim kill his neighbor in the name of his religion? A free and peaceful republic isn't even possible with that variable so you may as well write the thought of nationalism off.

Once we all cooperate, have sound money, and are more rationally thinking. I believe that a government will indeed manifest based around peace.

And again, maybe I am a dreamer. Maybe 2012 is the ultimate end because of our own ignorance and misunderstanding of ourselves.

 

[528hz 10+ year member]

I'm not even going to get started. Everyone else has done a great job of laying it down.

BUT, if you want to make some money invest in Verichip. It's the Microsoft of our generation. Tommy Thompson is on the board of directors, and those of you that didn't know that and don't know who he is, he used to be our Secretary of Health and Human Services under the 1st Clinton administration.

Ticker symbol CHIP. Flip isn't the only one good at calling out stocks. Just follow the contracts.

 

[Liquid Bass 10+ year member]

its kind of funny how many things the bible says are going to happen have, and are looking like they are going to. i think its more important to be a christian now than ever before. i just feel sorry for the ones who dont believe in god.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

This could get nutty.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

That's why our currency is being devalued so fast. The Federal Reserve (a privately owned corporation) is printing money like crazy because of the war and the "economic stimulus check" and every dollar printed lowers the value of every dollar already in circulation.

This shows me your knowledge of international economics is limited. If we don't let the currency fall, it will excerbate the recession. Consider the helpful impact a falling currency has on exports, as well as chosing domestically produced items.

If wrenches made in the USA where cheaper than Chinese because of forex reasons, it would boost the domestic economy as people would chose the cheaper wrench. If we made strides to boost the value of the dollar without corresponding demand or increase production, we would find ourself in a much worse place.

 

[BryanCain]

Yeah it makes you wonder. It makes me wonder whether there really is a god, and if the bible really is a warning. Or if the "elite" are intentionally trying to make bible prophecy come true. Are you so sure that the Bible itself wasn't written by those very elite that control the world today?
I've been thinking too... Because ALOT of ancient religions (before the bible and even the bible) all talk about "those who from heaven came to earth", and most people assume that they're talking about spirits. How do we know it wasn't some sort of alien being? To the ancient people, heavens were probably the stars and the Universe. And then if you take into account the space craft looking hieroglyphics on the pyramids...

What if the BIBLE is merely an acronym:

B asic

I nstruction

B efore

L eaving

E arth

Too many questions, it's all very intriguing for sure. I mean, even the bible says we were created in "god's" image. Maybe the aliens genetically manipulated us into existence. Maybe they walk amongst us right now (since we were created in their image and all).

I'm getting too far out there now aren't I...**** I want to know the truth so bad, hopefully I at least get it explained to me before I die. That might make it worth it...

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You see what this subject can do to you?? While this takes great intellect to siphon through all these theories. I'd just reach your own conclusion and get back to life.

The bottom line is that you will never know enough. You'll die and look back at your life and realize you didn't know any more shit than the day you were born. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Have you ever considered learning how to lucidly dream? You may find your answers outside of time. I have!

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

The fact is that we will have a one world government. The question that lies herein is whether or not it will be beneficial to humanity, or an outright detriment.
My prediction is that 2012 is absolutely a year of a move towards one world government. A lot of events that this coming period of time hold are ones I am also anticipating.

As a person who is heavily into consciousness expansion, I must recognized this as the year that the Mayans have designated as the cross to Universal Level of Consciousness.

While I believe most of the population's core belief is that it will be initially detrimental to the earthly society, I personally believe that there may be many benefactors. Many benefactors IF, and only IF is done appropriately.

For one, after studying the subject for thousands of hours, and sorting through tens of thousands of theories. I've reached the conclusion that there is no ONE answer as to what WILL happen. There is absolutely 6,000,000,000 different worlds on the planet we reside on.

You can awaken your mind to the subject, but I believe it is up to ourselves to form our own conclusions. And through the practice of prognostication, form our own realities and predictions of what is to come.

I believe personally that the transition is one for the better. I am anticipating a lot of economic devastation towards One World Government. However, after it has all passed, a serious economic boom and a world of much more stability may arise.

I believe that the goal at hand may be a digital currency who's value is backed by the gold that the international bankers have hoarded. And a much more peaceful government with less restrictive laws.

If this was the case, then the world would be a fundamentally better place to conduct commerce. I've reached the conclusion because the foundation of these theories makes the most sense to me.

We've come to far as a race of sentient beings to go back to the feudal era, or even the dark ages. Why not rise up into an age of peace? Become a society who operates peacefully and in unison. I believe we are moving towards a constellational society.

I don't believe we are falling behind, I believe we are moving forward. Just for the human being to accept it, there may have to be some devastation on the way towards it.

Well, duh. Everyone knows that.

 

[BryanCain]

And since we got our minds rolling in a strange direction let me throw this question out there LOL.
When you think about something, like visualize it and experience it, and then it happens...

Did you predict it, or create it?

You absolutely created it. While the limited view of the culture will try to dismiss this. Your thoughts, beliefs, and expectations are what create everything.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

It sounds like eastern philosophical BS to me.

 

[BryanCain]

It sounds like eastern philosophical BS to me.

That is a perfectly acceptable seeing as you choose to project that outward on to your canvas. If that is indeed what you've decided to paint, you'll only agree with that even more. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

That is a perfectly acceptable seeing as you choose to project that outward on to your canvas. If that is indeed what you've decided to paint, you'll only agree with that even more. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

You assume that I am even paying attention.

 

[BryanCain]

I've read that alot also, but how do you know for sure? I know of some people that saw their parents dying in a dream before it happened. Did they create that too or just predict it? Where's the line?
The only real way to know is by intentionally trying to create a reality and seeing if it works. And if it does, how do you know your subconscious didn't make you think of that because it knew ahead of time what was going to happen?

There is limitations in any game. And that is exactly what this game is. A game where your ego consciousness plays a game with your mental consciousness. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

Which one do you trust?