No more active: high power coaxials?

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I've been thinking of ditching the active game and going back to normal speaker sets. What's out there nowadays? I haven't bought anything besides raw drivers for about 5 years now, so I'm totally out of the loop.

It seems like running active allowed me to dump a lot of power to my mids/tweets, and I was able to get them pretty loud while still remaining clean as hell. I'm wanting to get a new HU with ipod hookup and don't want to drop the money on a new active deck. I'm just wanting to dumb it down a little, I guess, and want to snag a sweet set of 6.5's that I won't have to really mess with a whole lot. Keeping the mid/tweet in the same location is a plus so I won't have to worry about doing t/a for two speakers on each side. The Dayton "fullrange" 6.5's are appealing, but I haven't really looked too hard.

The main thing I'm worried about is loudness...I do love to crank some music every now and then, and I imagine I'll be a little disappointed if I can't do it like how I can right now. I figured I can run a beefy coaxial and still be able to use my Arc MEQ30 to fine tune my curve and use some sort of simple t/a to get the stage right(maybe an extra 500ft of wire on the left channel? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif).

I know it's a long post, but offer up any opinions...I'm all ears.

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[Slayerx 10+ year member]

don't do it imo, or bite the bullet and spend the extra cash on an active deck with ipod control. Would cost the same as getting a decent set of coax's anyways.

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

Looked into massive?

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

don't do it imo, or bite the bullet and spend the extra cash on an active deck with ipod control. Would cost the same as getting a decent set of coax's anyways.

I understand that, I just don't want to mess with it anymore to be honest.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I'm more afraid that I'm going to miss the imaging that I get by running active, being able to locate everything as if I were watching the band playing on stage. Has anyone gone from active back to passive? If so, how did you do it, how did you like it, and do you have any regrets?

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

I'm more afraid that I'm going to miss the imaging that I get by running active, being able to locate everything as if I were watching the band playing on stage. Has anyone gone from active back to passive? If so, how did you do it, how did you like it, and do you have any regrets?

you can still get good imaging from coax's. the highly praised hat imagines are coax's by nature and hat recommends them be run that way. also, if the tweet is multi-directional, it can be almost the same as having the tweet and mid in your kick or door. plus you can always add another tweet up high with a cap to raise your stage if necessary.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

you can still get good imaging from coax's. the highly praised hat imagines are coax's by nature and hat recommends them be run that way. also, if the tweet is multi-directional, it can be almost the same as having the tweet and mid in your kick or door. plus you can always add another tweet up high with a cap to raise your stage if necessary.

Good point. I'm thinking about grabbing some Imagines and seeing how I like them. I have a ton of amps to choose from to run my new speakers...anything from 2x75 to 2x300 at 4ohms.

 

[mylows10 5,000+ posts]

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[keep_hope_alive Premium Member]

I have gone to then from then to then from active. I have gone from coax to comps to coax to comps.

You don't need to be active to sound good, just buy nice components and amp them properly. You will lose your sound stage without T/A if you keep the same speaker locations.

I am currently trying to build a 2-seat soundstage without T/A. Getting there, but I am active for now. I would like to get down to some simple passive 6dB/octave filters to eliminate phase issues associated with higher slopes. Active does let you use steeper slopes which makes things a bit easier.

Passive systems have sounded great for decades, and still do.

The full range Dayton's have low power handling.

 

[kramer_212 10+ year member]

Looked into massive?

the set i had i really liked.

 

[smgreen20 10+ year member]

I have gone to then from then to then from active.

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I was going to mention the Imagines as well. Money is tight for me so that's where I'd spend it.

 

[keep_hope_alive Premium Member]

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that was a condensed way of saying:

from passive to active back to passive back to active... etc.

in the past 18 years i have tried dozens of combinations. IMO good sound comes from the following (in order of importance)

1. speaker enclosure (rigidity, seals, backwave control)

2. speaker location/aiming (the two go hand-in-hand)

3. crossover design and implementation

4. speaker construction and amplification

5. active processing ability

sadly, the first three items are usually ignored or improperly implemented by most installers (usually due to lack of understanding) and they jump to #4... then are disappointed.

 

[pimpnyou204 10+ year member]

I agree with hope in a lot of what he says but instead of changing everything why not get a new hu and a good processor and keep what u have unless u just want new stuff. I mean coaxing can sound good I just never got good midbass bcuz of the missing come area but I actually went some what active with it crossing my mid tweets a lil lower and the other tweets slightly lower than them and OT gave a decent sound stage to me but personal I like components better.

 

[xmakeafistx 10+ year member]

I wish I could save that post ^

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I already have an Eclipse 8053, so the sound quality and processing ability isn't lacking. I just want to simply stuff, cut out the extra rca's, wire, headaches of running an active setup with mids and tweets in differed locations. I just want some nice coaxials, where I can just run one set of rca's, run my 30 band eq to level everything out, an do some simple t/a. I'm really leaning towards the HAT Imagines. I think I'm going to email Scott and see what he has.