New Box Pics! (Video will come soon!)

[bdawson72 5,000+ posts]

nice box.....but that mic on the cam sux

 

[geowick07 10+ year member]

Yeah, the cam is my dads. its a 3 or 4 year old HP Photosmart. Doesnt sound good at all compared with the new stuff. If i ever get a REAL camcoder or such, i will have to make a good vid.

 

[grillman6000 10+ year member]

nice video.....but, thats gotta be the best audio i've heard in a while...........

[borat] NOT! [/borat]

 

[geowick07 10+ year member]

everyone please refrain from commenting on the audio. i know it sucks. i have already addressed that issue. Thanks!

 

[MA$E 10+ year member]

is that in a beatle? ...

 

[rlcowboy 10+ year member]

Nice clean box, I'm about to use that same carpet for a box I just built for my two 12W6's. I always tell folks this when I see it and it's just something to know- I've seen alot of amps get damaged because of being monted on the sub box, all brands, not just Kicker. More often with stroger and muliple drivers though. You have alot of small components inside the amplifier being shaken around when the sub starts pounding. I've also seen plenty of folks have no problems at all with the amp on the box so it can go both ways, good luck and you did a clean install! I noticed in the first video that you had your sub thumping with your hatch up in free air- a very very bad thing to do!! You can easily loose your driver doing that! Nice set up though!

 

[geowick07 10+ year member]

I am curious how this could be considered "free-air"? It's in an enclosure. I almost every video you see, be it on ROE or other sites, some one has their hatch open to video the sub excursion. How could that be free air? i have always heard free-air referred to as when the sub is NOT in an enclosure. thats the whole idea of a ported box is to NOT be free air. hatch open or closed should not have an effect on the sub.

This is free-air: http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Kicker/compc12.3.wmv

and, as for the amp on the side of the box, i put it there as a temporary thing. trying to figure out somewhere else to put it. don't have a lot of options. thanks !

 

[geowick07 10+ year member]

Ok folks. All the pictures, videos, and specs have been moved to the first post. Sorry for the mess. I am new to posting pics and such on here, and it took me a while to get the hang of it. Hope it is a little easier for everyone to look at!

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[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

Nice clean box, I'm about to use that same carpet for a box I just built for my two 12W6's. I always tell folks this when I see it and it's just something to know- I've seen alot of amps get damaged because of being monted on the sub box, all brands, not just Kicker. More often with stroger and muliple drivers though. You have alot of small components inside the amplifier being shaken around when the sub starts pounding. I've also seen plenty of folks have no problems at all with the amp on the box so it can go both ways, good luck and you did a clean install! I noticed in the first video that you had your sub thumping with your hatch up in free air- a very very bad thing to do!! You can easily loose your driver doing that! Nice set up though!

you know nothing. you have NEVER seen an amp get damaged because of being mounted like this, nor is this a free air video/setup/whatever you want to call it.

 

[geowick07 10+ year member]

you know nothing. you have NEVER seen an amp get damaged because of being mounted like this, nor is this a free air video/setup/whatever you want to call it.

Thanks for backing me up on this one, saywhat. I don't know where this guy gets the idea that this is free-air, or that its a bad idea for people to mount their amps this way. if people damaged subs and amps mounting them like this, then there would be a LOT more damaged equipment out there.

 

[rlcowboy 10+ year member]

Ok let me explain or spell it out for the kid that said I did'nt know what I was talking about. If play a sub, espeacialy in a ported enclosure, with the hatch open or in a SUV with the back up then your sub has NOTHING TO LOAD OFF OF! It causes your sub to have to work much harder, this is even more true when you play at certain fequencies. This is called "SUSPENSION FATIGUE". Will this happen the first time, maybe or maybe not. To play your sub unloaded is not a good idea at all and can very easily damage the suspension of your subwoofer and thats just for starters.

Point 2. Common sense should tell you that if you take an amplifier and shake it around alot that you could damage it. An amplifier has many small components inside of it and it only takes one of them comming dis-lodged to cause the amp to not work properly.Do you really think mounting a amp directly on to a sub enclosure is a good idea, you deserve a damaged amp then! Like I stated earlier, does this happen all the time, no it does'nt but it does happen and I've seen it happen more than just a few times in the last 20YEARS I've been around car audio. It's just not the best place to put your amp that you just spent a-lot of money on!!

Ive been in car audio sice a year before you were even born so don't come at me saying what I hav'ent seen before because there is no way for you to know that.

 

[geowick07 10+ year member]

Ok let me explain or spell it out for the kid that said I did'nt know what I was talking about. If play a sub, espeacialy in a ported enclosure, with the hatch open or in a SUV with the back up then your sub has NOTHING TO LOAD OFF OF! It causes your sub to have to work much harder, this is even more true when you play at certain fequencies. This is called "SUSPENSION FATIGUE". Will this happen the first time, maybe or maybe not. To play your sub unloaded is not a good idea at all and can very easily damage the suspension of your subwoofer and thats just for starters.Point 2. Common sense should tell you that if you take an amplifier and shake it around alot that you could damage it. An amplifier has many small components inside of it and it only takes one of them comming dis-lodged to cause the amp to not work properly.Do you really think mounting a amp directly on to a sub enclosure is a good idea, you deserve a damaged amp then! Like I stated earlier, does this happen all the time, no it does'nt but it does happen and I've seen it happen more than just a few times in the last 20YEARS I've been around car audio. It's just not the best place to put your amp that you just spent a-lot of money on!!

Ive been in car audio sice a year before you were even born so don't come at me saying what I hav'ent seen before because there is no way for you to know that.

Not too sure if this was directed at me or not, because two of us said you were wrong. But, if it was directed at me, then here we go.

#1 - I am curious how many people have the same viewpoint as you do. There are a large number of people on this forum and others, and people that i know personally, that have their amplifiers mounted to the subwoofer enclosure. The point you are trying to make about damage being done to the amplifier by having it mounted this way is noted, but not very common. I wish i could come up with some real numbers for you, but my guess is that the number of people that have actually damaged equipment this way would be very small. Also, how large of a difference in vibration is there from mounting the amp on the enclosure itself, versus mounting it elsewhere in the trunk/hatch area? My estimate would be minimal. If you place a hand on a surface in your vehicles trunk/hatch area, there is vibration when you have the system turned up even a little. Even in the passenger compartment, there is a large amount of vibration. When a system is really cranked up, it doesn't matter where in the car you are, there is considerable vibration. So, personally, mounting the amp on the enclosure is not dangerous idea, and i would recommend it to anyone who has limited mounting possibilities.

#2 - As to the hatch being open when playing the sub, I ask you to search around the forum for just 5 minutes, and let me know how many videos you find that have people filming with the hatch/trunk lid open. Look also on Realm of Excursion. Unless you have an SUV, there is virtually no other way to video capture the excursion of the subwoofer. What about in an SUV system? A large amount of these systems are setup to have the sub(s) and port(s) facing upward. If you have the doors open in said vehicle, or the windows rolled down, or any type of scenario where the vehicle is not sealed shut, would this not cause "Suspension Fatigue"? In my setup, I spend most of my time playing with the hatch CLOSED and the back seats folded down. I don't go around with the hatch open bangin my system. The hatch was open FOR VIDEO AND PICTURE PURPOSES ONLY!

To summarize, I have been involved in car audio for the better part of ten years. I left it for a while, but not that long. And, in those years, I have never seen an amp get damaged from being mounted on the enclosure. Also, in those years, I have never seen a subwoofer fail due to having the hatch open while filming, or just playing/tuning. So, please, in the future, save your "comments" for one of the newbies on the forum, and don't waste them on someone that already knows that there is a "chance" that things could be damaged. Heck, anyone could go outside and turn their car on in the morning and blow a sub. Crank it a little to hard, poof. There are many scenarios in which equipment could be damaged, but having the hatch open while playing/tuning, or mounting the amp on your enclosure, are not any of them.

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

Ok let me explain or spell it out for the kid that said I did'nt know what I was talking about. If play a sub, espeacialy in a ported enclosure, with the hatch open or in a SUV with the back up then your sub has NOTHING TO LOAD OFF OF! It causes your sub to have to work much harder, this is even more true when you play at certain fequencies. This is called "SUSPENSION FATIGUE". Will this happen the first time, maybe or maybe not. To play your sub unloaded is not a good idea at all and can very easily damage the suspension of your subwoofer and thats just for starters.Point 2. Common sense should tell you that if you take an amplifier and shake it around alot that you could damage it. An amplifier has many small components inside of it and it only takes one of them comming dis-lodged to cause the amp to not work properly.Do you really think mounting a amp directly on to a sub enclosure is a good idea, you deserve a damaged amp then! Like I stated earlier, does this happen all the time, no it does'nt but it does happen and I've seen it happen more than just a few times in the last 20YEARS I've been around car audio. It's just not the best place to put your amp that you just spent a-lot of money on!!

Ive been in car audio sice a year before you were even born so don't come at me saying what I hav'ent seen before because there is no way for you to know that.

I have a feeling you directed this at me, so here is how you are wrong. Two words can disprove your entire post.

HOME AUDIO.

thats all, think about it.

 

[ffkk 10+ year member]

this install looks very neat! You must be proud of it. I am unable to view your vids at the office unfortunately. IIRC you had a different enclosure before or am I wrong? Ifso, how does it compare? And secondly why didn't you go for lower than 36Hz?

I wish I had the time and space to start my new enclosure //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

 

[BASSMEKANIK 10+ year member]

Nice clean box, I'm about to use that same carpet for a box I just built for my two 12W6's. I always tell folks this when I see it and it's just something to know- I've seen alot of amps get damaged because of being monted on the sub box, all brands, not just Kicker. More often with stroger and muliple drivers though. You have alot of small components inside the amplifier being shaken around when the sub starts pounding. I've also seen plenty of folks have no problems at all with the amp on the box so it can go both ways, good luck and you did a clean install! I noticed in the first video that you had your sub thumping with your hatch up in free air- a very very bad thing to do!! You can easily loose your driver doing that! Nice set up though!

shudup noob... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/slap.gif.87520e8ca8e90076ac30e777c0de5331.gif