New box for my box

If I wasnt looking out for the guy I wouldnt have said anything about the port being too small and trying to run ported and sealed together. Im not on here to put people down but to help in what areas I know about(which happens to be box designs).

I would say, block the port off and make it all a common chamber and leave it sealed or make one big port.

Thats the last of my opinions for this thread.

 
Oh, and also-
Never ever ever give up build quality or proper design for the sake of aesthetics. Have you see the box BJ Fisher is building with the Fi logo inside it? It is bloody beautiful! Boxes can sound good and look good at the same time.

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Very nice - and we didn't come on here wanting to claim we know everything...just helping a client out and trying to open the airwaves of more positive criticism and help. I respect the fact you know what you know - but remember there's quite a few newbies that don't on this forum and moreso that would like to learn more knowledge! (like what you have) But I guess it's like being part of frat - you have to be slowly but painfully be accepted into the community! Darwanism right?

Thanks for this nice box design - we don't come online as much as you can see we've been a member on here for almost a year.

 
Very nice - and we didn't come on here wanting to claim we know everything...just helping a client out and trying to open the airwaves of more positive criticism and help. I respect the fact you know what you know - but remember there's quite a few newbies that don't on this forum and moreso that would like to learn more knowledge! (like what you have) But I guess it's like being part of frat - you have to be slowly but painfully be accepted into the community! Darwanism right?Thanks for this nice box design - we don't come online as much as you can see we've been a member on here for almost a year.
Yeah, the guys tend to be pretty hostile towards people when they make a mistake. I've learned to be selective about what I post because I'm human and I mess up sometimes //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

But yeah, grow some thick skin and show some of the nice work you've done and you'll gain some respect.

 
Im gonna second some points mentioned before:
1.Box quality should never be sacraficed for looks.

2.Great sounding boxes can look good to.

3.Mixing speakers( or amps) will cause cancelation issues, no matter what you say.

4. Dont fill this forum with bs, do your research, then ask questions and opinions.

5. We gave our honest opinions so dont b*itch.

All aside, i dont blame the guy representing the shop but please, have some knowledge in your field. The boxes dont look to bad but the designs are crap imo. The customer gets what he wants... usually the customer wants to be louder then the other guy.

Maybe the guys at ROE will like the box?
Points taken...as you said I'm just trying to represent our shop not to mention help out our client. And yes, most clients always want to be louder than the next. (Problem is most want to do so by paying the cheapest) Thanks for your points..

 
Yeah, the guys tend to be pretty hostile towards people when they make a mistake. I've learned to be selective about what I post because I'm human and I mess up sometimes //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
But yeah, grow some thick skin and show some of the nice work you've done and you'll gain some respect.
Advice taken...

Didn't know forums could be so rough on newbies..but our client was right! Kudos and thanks to all of those who commented/replied and took time to read. It's just sometimes the ones who know always forget that it's hard for those that don't know because it comes 2nd nature to us! I never once said JLS knows all - we still have a lot to learn!

We know enough to keep us doing business and situations like this that teach us a little more about what 'people' want in general.

Thanks again!

 
Yeah, the guys tend to be pretty hostile towards people when they make a mistake. I've learned to be selective about what I post because I'm human and I mess up sometimes //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
But yeah, grow some thick skin and show some of the nice work you've done and you'll gain some respect.
he shouldnt have a business if he doesnt know whats hes doing..doing a half sealed half ported box is not good..he should learn the basics before he opens up a business and throws suggestions at people on how to build a proper enclosure.

 
In all due respect WE gave him the idea to do a port and dual sealed. WE asked him if he would like have a box like that. Professional shop - YES - we're still in business, have good rep, and have a long list of satisfied clients to back it up. Not to mention the several cars that were FULLY sponsored by MFG. that a featured in some magazines. Yes, local shop - Anaheim, CA. - 714-533-3042 is the number! Call us up? Sure, we're professional as professional can get in this business and do take into consideration all the needs each client has according to their type of music and sound they would like. And as being professional we would only take into consideration of those who have had plenty of experience in the "car audio" department and seems like you do - aside from the youngsters on here trying to bash Steve for getting his system. Let alone, BASH us for doing it the way we are. Seems like that's what most of the members on these forum are doing is just either bashing someone for not knowing very little and trying to learn AND/OR competing with them because they have an inflated ego because they seem to have pride in what they know?! Am I right or wrong?

In regards to all this - Audioholic - you probably have an idea of how it'll sound BUT not in this particular car and how we are going to tune it. So don't judge - it's being prejudice. If after the fact it sounds like "crap" then flame on and be judgemental! I'm taking into consideration for the fact that you are a little more experienced than the others that are commenting about Steve's system. Rather than bash or talk trash about the people doing it (regardless it be a shop or the person doing the job themselves) give them pointers and help them out and tell them WHY they shouldn't do it. Justification of it sounding like "crap" is just ignorant - facts are better backed with experience! Anybody can just say SO - and I'm not going to sit by and have you guys talk "crap" about Steve's system or design thereof OR talk bad about our shop. We've been in business for several years now! Respectable with many of the local shop owners and other car audio fanatics! If we weren't doing a GOOD job we wouldn't be in business - our business is 80+% referral! We don't do the pennysaver/recycler crap or sell online!

All in all - JLS respects constructive criticism backed with facts. We respect people who either have many systems in their life and/or even own their own business in the field or have it as a career. BUT for those who just state "crap" as a justification for someone to not have it that way and mention frequencies as solid proof - sad to say you're not really helping Steve out! AND if you think you can get away with it - open up your own business and justify all your sales accordingly!

As you can see - just wanted to reply to all the "comment"r's out there who are being so negative - at the end it's not YOUR car, you're not going to listen to it, and JLS will ALWAYS do what satisfies the client first and foremost! So Steve WILL get it sounding the way HE wants it and the way HIS ears like it! Bottom-line!

If you have a problem - maybe you should have your own business right?

JLS Mobile Sound & Performance

1418 N. Central Park W. Ave.

Anaheim, CA. 92802-1418

714-533-3042

There's all the contact you need btw!

Just upset how majority of you guys treat newbies on this board! (members at least)
You may act professional, and I give you credit for the most part you are doing a professional job here with your replies. But needing me to explain why building a box that incorporates some sealed speakers, AND some ported ones, for a substage, shows your lack of experience in your own profession. You tout the fact you design per MFG recommendations, honestly I can see why, you seem to lack the fundamentals of acoustical design at this point. You must rely on others' recommendations. if thats not the case, I apologize, but that's certainly the impression you are giving us here.
Let me ask this simple question, why does this customer, and his system, need or want a sealed AND ported enclosure? Can you give one factual reason why this setup would be advantageous over an all sealed, or all ported application? Just one. And no, looks or 'becaue the customer wanted it' is not a valid reason.

Subwoofers require a relatively narrow passband of frequencies they are responsible for, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to design and build a simple system utilizing either sealed, or ported systems, that will play flat (or peaky) within the frequency range rrequired. Suggesting both is necessary, advantageous, or even acceptable, shows a lack of design knowledge. Im sorry, but it does.

You are a professional shop. The customer in question admits he is a noob and wants to learn. Therefore, he should be GETTING advice from you, not dictating to you how the enclosure design will go. I highly doubt this guy insisted on this setup while you tried to persuade him otherwise... your attitude here, and his, suggest otherwise.

So this leaves me wondering how did this noob customer, and this professional shop, come up with a design that incorporates sealed AND ported subwoofers. Honestly, it boggles my mind.

Did the customer want a relatively flat response for good 'SQ' form the system? Then why not run all speakers sealed? Did the customer want a 'loud' system that involves building an enclosure with a peaky response? Then why not all ported tuned high? Did the customer want something in between? Then why not all ported tuned low? Was it because all you seem to know about actual enclosure design is calling the mfg and see what they recommend? not a flame, an honest question.

In this industry where its harder and harder to maintain a brick n mortal business, I wish you and your business the best. I honestly do. But imo you need to step up your game in the enclosure design portion of it. Falling back oon 'its what the mfg recommended' probably works for most of your local customers, but we are a more educated crowd here, and we know better than to accept that as proof of a quality design, build, or implimentation.

Have a nice day.

 
You may act professional, and I give you credit for the most part you are doing a professional job here with your replies. But needing me to explain why building a box that incorporates some sealed speakers, AND some ported ones, for a substage, shows your lack of experience in your own profession. You tout the fact you design per MFG recommendations, honestly I can see why, you seem to lack the fundamentals of acoustical design at this point. You must rely on others' recommendations. if thats not the case, I apologize, but that's certainly the impression you are giving us here.
Let me ask this simple question, why does this customer, and his system, need or want a sealed AND ported enclosure? Can you give one factual reason why this setup would be advantageous over an all sealed, or all ported application? Just one. And no, looks or 'becaue the customer wanted it' is not a valid reason.

You are a professional shop. The customer in question admits he is a noob and wants to learn. Therefore, he should be GETTING advice from you, not dictating to you how the enclosure design will go. I highly doubt this guy insisted on this setup while you tried to persuade him otherwise... your attitude here, and his, suggest otherwise.

So this leaves me wondering how did this noob customer, and this professional shop, come up with a design that incorporates sealed AND ported subwoofers. Honestly, it boggles my mind.

Did the customer want a relatively flat response for good 'SQ' form the system? Then why not run all speakers sealed? Did the customer want a 'loud' system that involves building an enclosure with a peaky response? Then why not all ported tuned high? Did the customer want something in between? Then why not all ported tuned low? Was it because all you seem to know about actual enclosure design is calling the mfg and see what they recommend? not a flame, an honest question.

In this industry where its harder and harder to maintain a brick n mortal business, I wish you and your business the best. I honestly do. But imo you need to step up your game in the enclosure design portion of it. Falling back oon 'its what the mfg recommended' probably works for most of your local customers, but we are a more educated crowd here, and we know better than to accept that as proof of a quality design, build, or implimentation.

Have a nice day.
As stated earlier - I'm representing the shop with enough knowledge to be able to answer some of these posts. As for the design - I didn't personal come up with it but our fabricator did. And as stated we will gladly design/re-design it if it doesn't sound the way the fabricator knows and believes it will sound. With all due respect and the fact that I know you have GREATER knowledge than most on here in regards to car audio and I can see you do help the noob's on here to the best of your ability.

As for the design of the box again - it was not for looks but under the fabricator's discretion that he knows/believes it will sound good. Again I reiterate that IF it doesn't sound good or to the clients liking we'll gladly redo or change with no charge to him. That's our way of business and we don't let a customer leave who isn't satisfied. Granted, not all of our clients are car fanatics - we know that when they leave they're happy with what they get. If our business was to build SPL/SQL cars all day long it'd be different. We're in business to not only handle custom car audio BUT also the regular installs as well. (and do a clean good job at it.) Enclosure manufacturing is part of our business - not a majority of. But we do well enough and continue to learn each and every client.

All your input is appreciated - and as I mentioned I never said JLS came on here to claim fame...just to clarify some things. Just know that Steve won't leave our shop without being happy with what he hears/sees.

Thanks again.

 
your fabricator is way off... why didnt you step in and say something? why would you waste man hours? materials? for it to sound like poop.. and redo another box that your so called fabricator designs...

 
your fabricator is way off... why didnt you step in and say something? why would you waste man hours? materials? for it to sound like poop.. and redo another box that your so called fabricator designs...
going with experience - if he says it sounds good and has heard it sound so then we'll see. I'll stand by him! We'll let you all know how it turns...

 
As stated earlier - I'm representing the shop with enough knowledge to be able to answer some of these posts. As for the design - I didn't personal come up with it but our fabricator did. And as stated we will gladly design/re-design it if it doesn't sound the way the fabricator knows and believes it will sound. With all due respect and the fact that I know you have GREATER knowledge than most on here in regards to car audio and I can see you do help the noob's on here to the best of your ability.As for the design of the box again - it was not for looks but under the fabricator's discretion that he knows/believes it will sound good. Again I reiterate that IF it doesn't sound good or to the clients liking we'll gladly redo or change with no charge to him. That's our way of business and we don't let a customer leave who isn't satisfied. Granted, not all of our clients are car fanatics - we know that when they leave they're happy with what they get. If our business was to build SPL/SQL cars all day long it'd be different. We're in business to not only handle custom car audio BUT also the regular installs as well. (and do a clean good job at it.) Enclosure manufacturing is part of our business - not a majority of. But we do well enough and continue to learn each and every client.

All your input is appreciated - and as I mentioned I never said JLS came on here to claim fame...just to clarify some things. Just know that Steve won't leave our shop without being happy with what he hears/sees.

Thanks again.
So now its not on you, but your fabricator? Do you not have the knowledge enough to see a bad design? Of course the fabricator will think it sounds good and perform as he expected, HE designed it. Who is to say different? You, the boss who doesn't know enough to step in in the first place? The customer? Who admits he knows squat? The sad truth is that box will be built, the fabricator will love it, hence you and your client will too. Not realizing how much better it COULD have been. In your mind, satisfied customer. In our mind, a half-assed job that sooner or later the customer will come to regret.
Your fabricator cannot substantiate a good reason for that box any more than you can.

 
Wow, I said no more opinions but I have to step in on this one. To pass off the blame on your fabricator is completely bull. If you had any idea of how an enclosure should be you would not allow this crap to be placed in a customer's vehicle. Your reasoning for why this was done is just outright retarded. If I owned a shop I would make **** sure my fabricator knew what the fVck he was doing(which you obviously havent done).

If you are in the Audio industry as an installer, you better make sure you cover all aspects of the field. Not your lame excuse that you do clean installs of radios and what not and just dont concentrate on the enclosures. That is completely unacceptable business ethics. If I were getting my car worked on, would I want a clean paint job but a half *** job on the motor? HELLLL NO.

Your logic is flawed and your excuses are weak. Please go learn a thing or two about audio then try again.(and Im still waiting on an answer to how many square inches of port per cubic foot, which im pretty much convinced you have no clue).

 
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