Northeast Region NESPL 2010 Rules discussion

[SPL Blazer 10+ year member]

Ok, I made a couple changes to the site. Last season we had the rules for No Wall allowing for enclosures to be as high as the top of the front seat, not including the headrest. As the season went on I noticed that in several vehicles this was also the same height as the bottom of the rear glass, so for 2010 the rule has been modified to allow the enclosure to be as high as the top of the headrest. I bent this rule for a couple of competitors last season, so now we'll have it posted the way it was intended.

Also, in Amateur 2, I added the text "1001-2000 watts". Amateur 1 and 2 both have the same size limits, but different power limits. So to avoid some gray area, if you have less than 1000 watts you'd be in AM1, if you have 1001-2000 watts it's AM2. This should avoid someone with 900 watts going into AM2 because there is less competition.

 

[BassBrawlinBill 10+ year member]

Steve I didn't see any rules about deadening, am I just missing it some how?

 

[BassBrawlinBill 10+ year member]

"Competitors may NOT share any part of their system, meaning each competitor must have their own enclosure, amps, subs and radio when registering for the event. The ONLY exception will be to replace a blown sub, or amp. Replacement MUST be an exact replacement, meaning the same model number and/or coil configuration as item being replaced."

-copy/paste of a section of rules from http://www.newenglandspl.com

So if I blow a sub I can only borrow a sub from a friend if its exact same model I got that part but can I bring my own back up if its not the same model number. For example: if I blew one of my XXX subs and had brought my t5's can I swap them out since I own both sets?

 

[Mr. Slate 10+ year member]

"Competitors may NOT share any part of their system, meaning each competitor must have their own enclosure, amps, subs and radio when registering for the event. The ONLY exception will be to replace a blown sub, or amp. Replacement MUST be an exact replacement, meaning the same model number and/or coil configuration as item being replaced."-copy/paste of a section of rules from http://www.newenglandspl.com

So if I blow a sub I can only borrow a sub from a friend if its exact same model I got that part but can I bring my own back up if its not the same model number. For example: if I blew one of my XXX subs and had brought my t5's can I swap them out since I own both sets?

Steve in 2004 at SLAP finals, Manny let a competitor from Chicago borrow a 15" because he blew one of his. The guy ended up coming in 1st or 2nd but he beat someone that we really didn't like so it was a lot of fun.

I think you should allow competitors to "borrow" equipment but only in the event that they "blow" something.

 

[SICK GV 10+ year member]

Ok, I made a couple changes to the site. Last season we had the rules for No Wall allowing for enclosures to be as high as the top of the front seat, not including the headrest. As the season went on I noticed that in several vehicles this was also the same height as the bottom of the rear glass, so for 2010 the rule has been modified to allow the enclosure to be as high as the top of the headrest. I bent this rule for a couple of competitors last season, so now we'll have it posted the way it was intended.
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If I build my enclosure over the window line but below the headrest how would that effect my class at a TNESPL show. Not to big of a deal I was just wondering for finals.

 

[spltuscon 10+ year member]

Chris- TNESPL allows 25" high (from the floor of cargo area)for the enclosure for the no wall class so you'd be fine.

 

[SPL Blazer 10+ year member]

If I build my enclosure over the window line but below the headrest how would that effect my class at a TNESPL show. Not to big of a deal I was just wondering for finals.

In TNESPL your enclosure must be below the window of the rear cargo area glass. Last season at a couple shows I had guys come out that wouldn't fit any class but No Wall, but their boxes were also above the window line. They only did one or two shows so I let them do the No Wall class, this year I figured I'd just change the rule so I don't have to bend it. Downside is they won't be able to compete in any TNESPL or dB Drags shows. This is also a rule that will help to separate NESPL from the other orgs.

 

[SPL Blazer 10+ year member]

Chris- TNESPL allows 25" high (from the floor of cargo area)for the enclosure for the no wall class so you'd be fine.

I thought that was only in a pick up truck?

Here's the quote from their rules,

• Pro -No Wall-: Unlimited Cone Area - Enclosure and equipment must fall below bottom edge of rear factory window glass.

 

[SPL Blazer 10+ year member]

Steve I didn't see any rules about deadening, am I just missing it some how?

I actually haven't made any rules on it. dB Drags allows for two layers, up to 4 mil thick, TNESPL allows for 1/4" before the "B" pillar and unlimited behind, as long as the panels will still fit. USACi has no rules on it that I've seen. I could make a rule on it, but it would probably be the same as TNESPL so I haven't bothered to make one. It's a hard one to enforce anyway, so I won't bother making the rule. My advice is to just follow the dB Drags rules on it so you can compete in any org.

 

[Mr. Slate 10+ year member]

I actually haven't made any rules on it. dB Drags allows for two layers, up to 4 mil thick, TNESPL allows for 1/4" before the "B" pillar and unlimited behind, as long as the panels will still fit. USACi has no rules on it that I've seen. I could make a rule on it, but it would probably be the same as TNESPL so I haven't bothered to make one. It's a hard one to enforce anyway, so I won't bother making the rule. My advice is to just follow the dB Drags rules on it so you can compete in any org.

Steve, even though USACi doesn't have it in writing, Ralph has said 2 layers.

 

[SPL Blazer 10+ year member]

So if I blow a sub I can only borrow a sub from a friend if its exact same model I got that part but can I bring my own back up if its not the same model number. For example: if I blew one of my XXX subs and had brought my t5's can I swap them out since I own both sets?

I'll add something for this rule. If you own it, I'll allow it. I just want to make sure if someone blows their sub or an amp they don't borrow one from a team mate or someone else that has more power output or handling than what they were using when they blew it. As an example: It wouldn't be fair for a team to buy a 5000 watt amp and hand it off to each of their competitors.

 

[SPL Blazer 10+ year member]

Steve, even though USACi doesn't have it in writing, Ralph has said 2 layers.

Thats a good way to do it, but, if it's not written it's can't be enforced.

 

[spltuscon 10+ year member]

This is from woofercooker

#26 Enclosures and all other stereo related equipment in other type of vehicle other than pickup trucks may not be taller than 25 inches from the lowest point of the floor in the trunk and/or cargo area. Unlike pickup trucks, equipment can raise above the bottom edge of the rear window in SUV or hatch back type vehicles. This includes anything and everything attached to the enclosure. Examples of attachments are amplifiers, speakers, lighting, carpet, vinyl, suede, plastic, sound deadening, wire, sting ray, snake skin, ash trays, televisions, antennas, satellite dishes, gps units, computers, alarm or remote start modules, coolers, refrigerator, freezers, laptops, trophies, felt, polyester, cotton, crossovers, equalizers, sound processors, speaker grills, power cells, batteries, caps, legs, props, amp racks, pens, pencils, markers, paper, gift cards, food, drinks, seats, floor buildups, 50/50 tickets, etc... All stereo equipment as well as power storage devices must remain within the cargo area or trunk. No stereo equipment or power storage devices may ever be forward of the "B" pillar at any time.

But in the Pro no-wall you're correct....that's weird //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[Mr. Slate 10+ year member]

Thats a good way to do it, but, if it's not written it's can't be enforced.

I'll tell you what Steve, go to finals with more then 2 layers...........

 

[SPL Blazer 10+ year member]

I don't see myself ever going to USACi Finals. But if I were and had more than 2 layers I'd make a huge deal about it if someone tried to DQ me for it. If he can't take 2 seconds to add it to his list of rules then it should not enforced, at Finals or any other event.