need some home buying advice

my house is paid for, but its worth noting.. if you own a home, you own the problems too. last month my central ac went out. $8500 later, we're going again. (new ac, furnace, and some ducting). things like this happen. a roof can be $15k. rent dude. unless you have $20 k set aside for in case stuff, just rent and save. also, most home loans require money down. every one I knew (that had to finance a house) put $10-20k down.
I understand that it's the same with owning a vehicle you've got to maintain it and that costs money. But all of that will be noted with a thorough inspection. Renting makes sense for some people but I can't justify it. Sorta like leasing a vehicle that doesn't make much sense to me either. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

 
And you have absolutely zero control over your environment. When I want new granite countertops, I buy them.

Why? Because my constant real talk solid advice keeps falling on deaf ears like yours? I gave you your entire solution.
You didn't give me a solution to anything I don't have a problem. Just looking for some advice from people that have been there done that. I want to be as prepared as possible when the time comes. A little knowledge never hurt anybody.

 
I don't know exactly what you're asking for but here's a few things that may be helpful.

First, I will address the notion that renting is somehow better than owning and vice versa. When you rent a home, make no mistakes... you ARE paying property taxes and you are paying for the maintenance and upkeep on the home. The only difference between owning and renting in that respect is that you aren't required to come up with $2,500.00 on short notice when the AC or furnace fails. However, you are paying for those repairs whether they occur or not, as a part of your monthly rents. This is a simple question of economics... a real estate investor is no different than a woofer manufacturer. They have to include ALL costs into the rental price (including property taxes) and they have to add a certain amount of buffer over and above hard costs and profit, in order to pay for big ticket repair items. If they don't do that, they won't be profitable and will eventually go out of business.

The idea that owning is better or vice versa is purely a subjective one and it is different for each person in each situation. If you're not mechanically inclined or you don't have time to do maintenance on a home, you might be better off renting. Or, maybe your job requires that you move from place to place every year or so. In those cases, renting makes the most sense. However, if you have a job that will likely never require travel and you have either the knowledge and/or financial resources to pay foe maintenance as it's needed, then buying is probably better. In the end, there is no right or wrong in economics... there is only subjective best choices based on circumstance.

Also, the notion that everyone should own a home is preposterous. Everyone who wants to own a home should strive for home ownership but those who don't own their homes are no better or worse than people who do, if that's what works best for them. Do what works best for you and ignore the advice of bigots.

As for paying off a home as opposed to having it mortgaged... having a home paid for opens you up to potential losses that a mortgage can protect you from. For instance, if someone gets killed on your property or if you are sued for any reason and are found to be liable, a owned home becomes accessible by those creditors. Doesn't matter if it's all your fault or none your fault either... all that matters is that a judgement has been issued against your assets. But, mortgaged real property is not accessible by creditors due to the fact that there are others who already have a legitimate claim to said property.

There is also the cash layout to be considered. A 15 year mortgage will consume more of your ready cash each month than a 30 year mortgage, so from an economic standpoint, the shorter term loan costs more to service and leaves you with less cash with which to make other investments that could potentially net you a profit over and above the amount you're saving by not taking out a 30 year note.

By opting for a thirty year note you can look at the money paid in interest as a loan that allows you to have more cash on hand in the here and now. And of course, when you borrow money, you pay the lender a profit.

Personally, I will probably always opt for a thirty year note, as it allows for a lot more freedom in the here and now and you can't look 25 years down the road at what you might be able to do with that saved money.... aside from actually saving it.

Another very important thing to consider is the purchase price of the home. Buying a home at market price is not a good way to start an investment. Especially if you don't have a lot of money to put down, as when you do so you put your entire investment at the mercy of the stock market. Homes do not and, frankly, should not always rise in value and as we saw in 2008, when you have little or no equity in a mortgaged asset, you are locked into paying for something that costs more than it's worth. Thus, if you find yourself needing to sell it, you are in a lot of trouble. This is evidenced, again, by the various housing market crashes we have seen in the last century. The most recent being in 2008.

If you want to buy a home, shop the market well and loosen your criteria as much as possible. There are a lot of homes on the market and each and every seller has a different reason for selling. There are plenty of motivated sellers out there who have a home they need to sell and who can afford to take a loss on the sale simply to get rid of a headache. So... don't be afraid to make an offer that's well below market value. You aren't insulting the seller by doing so, you're simply telling them what you need and asking them if your needs and theirs can be met at that price.

 
Very useful and informative post. Very good point. Especially the low bidding part. Problem with that is I see a lot of homes getting snatched up as soon as they're put on the market with an offer at or above the asking price

 
Very useful and informative post. Very good point. Especially the low bidding part. Problem with that is I see a lot of homes getting snatched up as soon as they're put on the market with an offer at or above the asking price
im 22 and was pre-approved for 200k myself, or 175k with cash back.

if your 20 and can already afford a house kudos to you, my goal is 25 though, that is when insurance becomes cheaper and i will have a atleast 10k needed for a down payment on a 150k house (5%). and on 150k with 5% my mortgage would be $750, without the 5% it would be $850, and thats not including utilities and whatever else. i plan on buying and possibly renting out the basement or something when the time comes to make it easier to pay off my mortgage.

id like to know what you do for a living to be able to afford one already.. haha

 
True. But With the housing market on the rise at the rate that it is I think if I can afford a house comfortably I'll be able to flip it and make a decent profit down the road. Provided the economy doesn't take a **** again or anything like that. That's my thought process at this point.
You are right, I bought my 1st house a bit over 3 years ago. Just sold it last week, made a bit over my annual salary. Which all that money is now going into another house. I'm sure in a few I will end up doing the same thing.

 
Very useful and informative post. Very good point. Especially the low bidding part. Problem with that is I see a lot of homes getting snatched up as soon as they're put on the market with an offer at or above the asking price
Low bidding doesn't work, if it does it will be cuz no one else is bidding on it.

 
I see Renting as a waste of a lot of money. I can't bring myself to dump 750-800$ a month into a ****** apartment when I could have a mortgage for close to or cheaper than that.
Except you are responsible for all of your own repairs. And you aren't calculating in home owners insurance.

While renting. The landlord has to fix everything and no home owners insurance.

Plus. You have to pay land taxes.

When renting. land lord pays land taxes.

180,000 home has land taxes every year of about 4,000-5,000 here in wisconsin.

 
Except you are responsible for all of your own repairs. And you aren't calculating in home owners insurance.
While renting. The landlord has to fix everything and no home owners insurance.

Plus. You have to pay land taxes.

When renting. land lord pays land taxes.

180,000 home has land taxes every year of about 4,000-5,000 here in wisconsin.
The houses I am looking at buying are under 125k with property taxes between 1500-2500 a year. I'm looking to keep my mortgage payment with homeowners insurance and taxes rolled in right around 700-750 per month. You gotta keep in mind I don't plan on living here for the rest of my life. 5-10 years tops and then sell it off for something better.

 
You are right, I bought my 1st house a bit over 3 years ago. Just sold it last week, made a bit over my annual salary. Which all that money is now going into another house. I'm sure in a few I will end up doing the same thing.
Yup. That's why I want to buy now while the market is on the rise and sell when it peaks to make my money back plus some

 
The houses I am looking at buying are under 125k with property taxes between 1500-2500 a year. I'm looking to keep my mortgage payment with homeowners insurance and taxes rolled in right around 700-750 per month. You gotta keep in mind I don't plan on living here for the rest of my life. 5-10 years tops and then sell it off for something better.
Well there are more reasons why I wouldn't do it. But some may not agree with those opinions.

 
Except you are responsible for all of your own repairs. And you aren't calculating in home owners insurance.
While renting. The landlord has to fix everything and no home owners insurance.

Plus. You have to pay land taxes.

When renting. land lord pays land taxes.

180,000 home has land taxes every year of about 4,000-5,000 here in wisconsin.
don't know about all these other states but housing market is still crashed here, and I got wells fargo and like I said prior, I got homeowners and property tax rolled in to my monthly payment, bought my house in 2005, payment was 1200/mo, dropped about a hundred grand in value around 08, at which time we refinanced for value of home and now pay around 880/mo, 4bd house...

 
don't know about all these other states but housing market is still crashed here, and I got wells fargo and like I said prior, I got homeowners and property tax rolled in to my monthly payment, bought my house in 2005, payment was 1200/mo, dropped about a hundred grand in value around 08, at which time we refinanced for value of home and now pay around 880/mo, 4bd house...
And I bet it's a very nice 4 bd house too and 900 a month isn't too bad realistically. Especially if you're fortunate enough to have two sources of income. Where abouts in Michigan do you live?

 
Very useful and informative post. Very good point. Especially the low bidding part. Problem with that is I see a lot of homes getting snatched up as soon as they're put on the market with an offer at or above the asking price
That's only a problem for you if you're one of those people who makes irrational, poorly thought out decisions on the largest financial transaction you'll likely make in your life. Or, if you refuse to concede on any of your criteria. ;-)

There are homes available at a discount, you just have to look for them.

And let's face it, granite countertops and fancy cabinets are nice, but are they nice enough to risk losing and ruining your credit?

The housing market is still very, very unstable right now and the current group of sociopaths, er.. politicians in the White House are doing exactly the same things that led to the last crash. e.g., they are pushing the banks to lend at low down payments to people who can't afford to own a home. They've tried that already and it doesn't work.

All I'm saying is hey, let's not do the same shite that got us into this mess in the first place, again... and expect different results. I believe that's the definition of insanity.

 
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