Need RCA's

Originally posted by Alaxan  

Third....there are already systems in caraudio utilizing fiber optics. Check out the Pioneer IP-bus system and I am sure there are a few others, but I am more familiar with this one as I have recently set it up in my own vehicle.
Fiber optics? you sure? Every optical cable I've ever dealt with passes light (hense optical or optics) To the best of my knowledge the p-bus system, Alpines AI-net system, etc use a pulse code modulation to send and recieve information back and forth.

 
Originally posted by SQ Addict Zane,

 

"So you are saying that you can hear a difference in a $50 strand of copper and a $5 strand of copper?"-----------------

 

No. I’m talking about interconnects. There is more to a cable than a strand of copper (wire gauge, strand twisting / braiding, number of strands, insulation, shielding and connectors). Between a $5 interconnect & a $50 interconnect – Yeah, I can tell the difference if auditioned on high-end components. It might even be that I prefer the $5 one. I understand you to say is that all expensive cables are not worth the $$$. What I’m saying is that GOOD expensive cables are definitely worth it when properly matched to the components.
Ok, so now the interconnects alone make a system sound better? Which is it?

How does a piece of gold plated metal about 1 1/2" long at each end of a copper wire add to overall performance and improved SQ?

While your at it, please explain to us how more or less strands of copper would do the same?

Also- the same goes for the shielding?

In other words; In a correct install, tell me what a length of copper sounds like with and without shielding. With variable stands and braiding, with different interconnects?

I still call the bluff..........

 

"If you care to do a double blind test I would be happy to administer it. I guarantee those who "hear" a difference will have a new point of view."----------------------

 

Zane, thanks for the offer but I’ve already done it (see below). Critical listening is an acquired skill developed over time.

 

"In 7 years in this industry, I have yet to see any proof that there is any such difference." (From a subsequent post)------------------------------

 

Basis for my opinions - I bought my first component home stereo 7 years before you were born. By the time you were six, I could tell the difference between interconnects and purchased my first audiophile pair. Since then I’ve auditioned at least 50 interconnects and each one is different! If you want to “SEE PROOF”, you’re going about it wrong. You need to HEAR the differences.
Age has nothing to do with it. That is a moot point all together.

Intelligence is not relative to age.

As I stated before, if you can hear a difference; you are in the wrong industry. Since you clearly would defy the accepted and common theories of otology. Doctors would likely love to be able to study and test your "developed" super hearing, in hopes of finding a way to correct deafness.

I am not saying that that is not possible, but highly unlikely.

I offered to compare the RCA's in a double blind test, one which I have also taken numerous times. Each time, I failed to note a difference in performance or sound between the wires. My hearing is fairly decent as well. I frequently play classical guitar and am one who is blessed with something called "perfect pitch." This also creates a tendancy to notice very subtle differences in sound.

With the different cables- there was none.

I would be happy to demonstrate both with the double blind test of the RCA's.

"Yes- brainwashed is correct. Why not "tell" everyone that your more costly product is superior to increase sales.

 

Welcome to what Corporate America calls "Marketing.""----------------------------------

 

I couldn’t agree more!!! Just because a company says their expensive product is superior doesn’t mean it is. The consumer can only assess the quality of these products. I’ve listened to some highly touted (and expensive) cables that were junk IMO. Even magazine reviews are tainted by advertising dollars. We are only left with our own observations and the ability to wade through the BS.

 

Peace.
Wade Wade Wade

The audible difference is the only BS. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

take it easy,

-zane

 
Zane,

I never admitted or will pretend to know how every component in a cable affects its sonic quality. I simply stated that there are variables in cable construction and that I can discern musical subtleties between cables. Your not calling my bluff!!!

Intelligence is not the issue. We are still talking cables. If I could tell you exactly how the “perfect” cable is constructed and why certain things in its construction makes it sounds superior, I would be making cables, not working for someone else. The person that really opened my eyes (ears) on this issue holds a masters degree in engineering and is a consultant to three cable manufacturers. If you think this is all hype, do you think a cable company would solicit expertise outside of it’s own company? Wouldn’t they just propagate the fallacy without expertise? BTW – His ears are much more discerning than mine are.

From your statements I’m convinced that there is nothing more I can say on this subject that would encourage you to be a little more open minded on this issue. I am glad that you at least have done blind testing several times and respect the fact that you cannot hear any difference. I was at least expecting that you would have stated what cables you had done your comparison with. I’m further convinced that if you had auditioned any of the cable brands I’ve spoke of you would have heard a difference. Have you listened to any of these? Have you listened to silver wire cables? Have you listened to non-metallic cables? Apparently, you have never heard a cable lose it’s sonic qualities over time (thank heavens I’ve only heard one).

--------------“As I stated before, if you can hear a difference; you are in the wrong industry. Since you clearly would defy the accepted and common theories of otology. Doctors would likely love to be able to study and test your "developed" super hearing, in hopes of finding a way to correct deafness.

I am not saying that that is not possible, but highly unlikely. “-----------------------------------------

Since I’m not an expert in Otology I wouldn’t know. IMO my ability to hear subtleties has nothing to do with the physiology of the ear and it’s disorders. I do know a little about this science since I have two deaf friends who have undergone numerous surgical procedures to improve their conditions. I don’t think your statement is relative.

After all, this is a car audio forum, and as I have mentioned before, the car is not the ideal place for critical listening. I thought that something needed to be said when I saw your statement that “WIRE IS WIRE”. I didn’t feel that statement should go unchallenged. For some on this forum your statement might be accurate (folks that are starting out in car audio and are able to afford the best entry-level system for their hard-earned money). Although for folks that have been involved with this hobby for some time are making a sizable financial investment in mid to high-end components, I sincerely believe you are leading them down the wrong path. I am amazed to find that you are the “editor in chief” of a car audio magazine. Is this the objectivity you’ll endorse in your magazine? In your reader’s interest, I hope not.

Take it easy.

 
Originally posted by Alaxan All of those cables on the Pioneer are fiber. To be sure you can check it out at http://pioneerelectronics.com/Pioneer/CDA/CarProducts/CarProductDetails/0,1429,34222,00.html
All of them? There is nothing on that website about that cable being fiber optic.

So, it doesn't sound like you believe me.........Answer this........Why would the P-Bus cable need to be able to pass a digital bit stream through an optical cable? In other words, what information travels down the P-Bus cable that is digital

.............................................................Exactly, none.

 
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