Need RCA's

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Wonderbread zane, waht about tehir points of the connectors?

no i agree, assuming the copper is 100 % copper, the only difference would be the connectors...

btw, you ahve AIM or anything?

What difference would the simple connection end be if its still a copper strand throughout the wire?

AIM- zZane422 or Below Reality(chances are that I wont answer on the latter though)

take it easy,

-zane

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

kool,

hey i was jsut asking, lol.

they were the ones tlaking about it, lol.

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Alaxan  

Ummmm Bean...gold is actually ONE of the BEST conducting metals on the planet. Thought you knew??

 

 

Zane I can agree with you partially and then argue with you as well......A poorly sheilded RCA picked up for 5bucks canand will gie a noticable difference between that and a larger more properly sheilded cable. Now once you get beyond the 20dollar range of a GOOD quality RCA it makes little difference (unless you are speaking of video signal) and it is simply pointless to spend 50-70bucks on a cable. One thing tho that does make a LARGE difference is the quality of the connectors on the end of that cable as well tho. Quite often that 5 dollar cable will have a poor connector that will allow pick up of radio frequencies or loose connections. The wire itself? Yeah it is all copper and some of it is better than others, but typically if it is of a good quality and AWG it should be ok.

 

I for one prefer to blow a little bit of extra cash on a higher end cable. Why? because I know the connectors are of a better quality and I have worked previously in the wire and cable industry for long enough to know the sheilding issues and even to see some of the test specs. Is it a noticeable difference by most standards and people? Not really, but I go with it anyway.

I would agree with you to a point, the sheilding can effect the noise that is allowed to flow into the signal path- however, not the audible sound of the system. However, the noise introduced into the system can be virtually eliminated by properly running the wires and grounding the system.

On the ends issue- I totally disagree.

What good are high dollar ends going to make as opposed to lower cost ones which are attached to the same copper wire?

I'd generally say- go with what you like. If you have particular luck with a product, use it. Keep using it. It does need to be known that these more expensive cables are not an absolute necessity however. (Those new to this sport would greatly cheer at this!)

Have a good one,

-zane

 

[zane 10+ year member]

I'm not commenting on the Anti-rice or Anti-Rod issue one bit.

We are all after the same thing- no matter the size of engine or the make of car.

This issue is far too immature and obtuse to merit wasting my time on it.

-zane

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

but Zane, waht about those taht rice, without touching the engine??

check out http://www.beaterz.com...

http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/mueller/ricers.html **** funny...

 

[zane 10+ year member]

refer to my above post on that matter.

Much to immature of a topic.

When people grow up and want intelligent converstaion or a reasonable facsimile there of, then come talk to me.

Otherwise,

I have no time for this idle nonsense and stupidity.

-zane

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

hehehe ok then

 

[SQ Addict 10+ year member]

Zane,

"So you are saying that you can hear a difference in a $50 strand of copper and a $5 strand of copper?"-----------------

No. I’m talking about interconnects. There is more to a cable than a strand of copper (wire gauge, strand twisting / braiding, number of strands, insulation, shielding and connectors). Between a $5 interconnect & a $50 interconnect – Yeah, I can tell the difference if auditioned on high-end components. It might even be that I prefer the $5 one. I understand you to say is that all expensive cables are not worth the $$$. What I’m saying is that GOOD expensive cables are definitely worth it when properly matched to the components.

"If you care to do a double blind test I would be happy to administer it. I guarantee those who "hear" a difference will have a new point of view."----------------------

Zane, thanks for the offer but I’ve already done it (see below). Critical listening is an acquired skill developed over time.

"In 7 years in this industry, I have yet to see any proof that there is any such difference." (From a subsequent post)------------------------------

Basis for my opinions - I bought my first component home stereo 7 years before you were born. By the time you were six, I could tell the difference between interconnects and purchased my first audiophile pair. Since then I’ve auditioned at least 50 interconnects and each one is different! If you want to “SEE PROOF”, you’re going about it wrong. You need to HEAR the differences.

"Yes- brainwashed is correct. Why not "tell" everyone that your more costly product is superior to increase sales.

Welcome to what Corporate America calls "Marketing.""----------------------------------

I couldn’t agree more!!! Just because a company says their expensive product is superior doesn’t mean it is. The consumer can only assess the quality of these products. I’ve listened to some highly touted (and expensive) cables that were junk IMO. Even magazine reviews are tainted by advertising dollars. We are only left with our own observations and the ability to wade through the BS.

Peace.

 

[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

Zane I fully do agree with you as far as the grounding issues proper runs and grounding will pretty much eliminate noise, etc....I also agree here on the issue of those new to the scene needing to know that a lesser cable is capable of being perfectly fine for them. In my posts I was just stating what I tend to use and prefer and the reasons behind that.

The ricer thing......it was just an inside joke with a friend, not part of the whole posts as of late on the ricers etc..... Appologies if I offended at all.

 

[bean 10+ year member]

Originally posted by zane When people grow up and want intelligent converstaion or a reasonable facsimile there of, then come talk to me.

 

Otherwise,

I have no time for this idle nonsense and stupidity.

 

-zane

I would only like to participate in the reasonable facsimile because I believe that without idle nonsense you'll never have any fun. Lighten up a little Zane

Problems with noise and EMI/RFI can often be solved by placement of cables in the car, but like I said earlier.............How come nobody has the same arguement when we talk about componants? Nobody on this forum would ever, ever say, "Dude, just go to radio shack to buy your amp." Cable IS another componant. Treat it as such.

As for you SQ addict.................. I think you're right on on this subject. Can you tell me if and who you're favorite cable manufacturer is?

 

[SQ Addict 10+ year member]

Bean,

I’ve been extremely happy with FMS cables in my home stereo. IMO they are transparent, can reveal amazing details and are musically accurate throughout the 20-20K frequency range. I use their interconnects, speaker cables, and power cables.

In the A/V system I’m using Wire World interconnects & speaker cable. Regular Beldin power cables. Using FMS cables in this system would have been extreme overkill.

Since I run Zapco amps in the car stereo, I used balanced Symbilink interconnects cables. I find noise to be non-existent with these balanced cables.

If your interested, I can give you my favorite company for optical cables and coaxial wire (I would need to look up the model number).

 

[excelonperu 10+ year member]

well to answer the first question, I dont see whats the problem on spending 50 bucks in an amp installation kit, (power,ground,rca,remote,etc), go for stinger, or monster or any well known brand, just because the quality of their products, I´m sure they will last longer than the $5 ones, go to http://www.soundddomain.com for good kits, or just ebay (best prices).

And to answer all the other threads, until we start using fiber optics for interconnects, and make some speakers that can turn digital signals into analogical ones, copper is still the best and cheapest way to run signals.

Why they shield them?, it has to do with lots of physics concepts such as faraday´s law and really technical stuff, does this makes em better? probably because other signals such as the ones of the power wire wont affect em, remember, a cable running electricity always produces a magnetic field, that causes interference.

 

[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by excelonperu well to answer the first question, I dont see whats the problem on spending 50 bucks in an amp installation kit, (power,ground,rca,remote,etc), go for stinger, or monster or any well known brand, just because the quality of their products, I´m sure they will last longer than the $5 ones, go to http://www.soundddomain.com for good kits, or just ebay (best prices).

And to answer all the other threads, until we start using fiber optics for interconnects, and make some speakers that can turn digital signals into analogical ones, copper is still the best and cheapest way to run signals.

Why they shield them?, it has to do with lots of physics concepts such as faraday´s law and really technical stuff, does this makes em better? probably because other signals such as the ones of the power wire wont affect em, remember, a cable running electricity always produces a magnetic field, that causes interference.

First... we were not talking about an entire kit simply the cables. If you can find any kit for 5bucks I would be very impressed. Second off... we spoke about the sheilding just without saying it in so many precise and exact words. Mostly that is what is being bought with a higher grade cable and as those of us discussing it further already knew that I suppose we just did not elaborate much more. Third....there are already systems in caraudio utilizing fiber optics. Check out the Pioneer IP-bus system and I am sure there are a few others, but I am more familiar with this one as I have recently set it up in my own vehicle.

 

[excelonperu 10+ year member]

Ok, but the sites I mentioned also have just RCA cables, the single ones and the 4 channel ones, Saw some of them (stinger) at Ebay for about 10 bucks, and the 4 channels for about 17 bucks, those are good prices, I mean for a simple RCA from radio shack 5 bucks, and for a car-audio designed stinger RCA 10 bucks, that also has a nicer look, seems like a good deal to me.

About the shielding, let it for the academics, doesnt matter.

And also tell me about this IP-Bus, I was told that It only works with the CD - Changer, I think that Clarion, Alpine and Kenwood also have similar systems, Does it also works with the multimedia stuff, (DVD,PS,VCR,flat screen)?

 

[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by excelonperu Ok, but the sites I mentioned also have just RCA cables, the single ones and the 4 channel ones, Saw some of them (stinger) at Ebay for about 10 bucks, and the 4 channels for about 17 bucks, those are good prices, I mean for a simple RCA from radio shack 5 bucks, and for a car-audio designed stinger RCA 10 bucks, that also has a nicer look, seems like a good deal to me.

About the shielding, let it for the academics, doesnt matter.

And also tell me about this IP-Bus, I was told that It only works with the CD - Changer, I think that Clarion, Alpine and Kenwood also have similar systems, Does it also works with the multimedia stuff, (DVD,PS,VCR,flat screen)?

It works with everything! Above and beyond just a cd-changer. Take a look at the list on my signature block and it shows everything that is connected with the IP-bus. All fiber interconnects andworks like a charm. No complaints as of yet. tho I have only had this in for a lil over a week.