mono block or 2 channel??

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

like your opinion of me matters...

fact still remains, you lacked (or still lack) reading comprehension on the matter...

man i cant stand people from ohio who have no idea what they are talking about and think that because im younger than them that they are better than me... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

like i said, stick around and lose that attitude that you already have all the facts, youjust might learn some things. i know i did //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[60ndown 10+ year member]

is there any down side to buying a 2 channel and bridging opposed to getting a mono block?

no big difference.no down side

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Im sure the topic starter meant class D vs. AB, sure its his fault he wasnt specific, but Hoss, dont mean to be an ***, you seem to want to prove your point right rather than answer the original question itself.
Read between the lines and determine what the question REALLY asks. Since he wasnt specific, in general, since most monoblock amplifiers are Class D rather than A/b, we can safely assume that mosts monoblock amplifiers will be more efficient, yeah?

i did attempt to answer the question in my original post, and was in an attempt to further answer the original question when the thread was derailed.

i still have a problem agreeing with the statement that most mono block amps will be more efficient because they are class d... class a/b's can be just as efficient these days, and can compete side by side with the class d's. like i said earlier in the thread, i think this is the same kind of generalization as saying that smaller woofers are more accurate than large woofers etc etc...

but, you can make a generalization, but IMO it still doesent answer the question, and doesent pertain to the question asked.

 

[60ndown 10+ year member]

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13389

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

i did attempt to answer the question in my original post, and was in an attempt to further answer the original question when the thread was derailed.
i still have a problem agreeing with the statement that most mono block amps will be more efficient because they are class d... class a/b's can be just as efficient these days, and can compete side by side with the class d's. like i said earlier in the thread, i think this is the same kind of generalization as saying that smaller woofers are more accurate than large woofers etc etc...

but, you can make a generalization, but IMO it still doesent answer the question, and doesent pertain to the question asked.

Show me hard proof, two amplifiers from the same manufacture and the same era, that a Class A/B is as efficient or more so than a Class D, and I shall give you a cookie //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fro.gif.c695f1f814b01c4ad99fe7f8cccadd29.gif
Amp A from manufacture DOT has an A/B design, more efficient then Amp B Class D design from manufacture ZEON. That proves absolutely nothing. Different manufacturing processes, different components used, different designs all together. Apples to Oranges my friend...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

like your opinion of me matters...
fact still remains, you lacked (or still lack) reading comprehension on the matter...

man i cant stand people from ohio who have no idea what they are talking about and think that because im younger than them that they are better than me... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

like i said, stick around and lose that attitude that you already have all the facts, you just might learn some things. i know i did //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Ok, Mr Stick Around And Learn - let's look at your "superior" knowledge for just a moment....

Nelson stated the following ~

There is obvious exceptions to every rule but EVERYONE knows that USUALLY a mono amp is going to be more effecient than a multi-channel amp. Even a newb like me knows that

To which you replied~

no everyone doesn't, because its simply not true... and youre just a newb with misinformation.

I would have to say that you're the misinformed one here.

Perhaps not everyone but the majority of people involved with aftermarket car audio as a hobby DOES know that because (please read the following very carefully) in most cases (not all, mind you) a multichannel amp is going to be a Class A/B design. In most cases (again, not all) a monoblock amp is going to be a Class D topology.

Consequently in most cases the monoblock is going to be superior to the multichannel in regards to efficiency.

One more time, and let me be perfectly clear about this, I am aware that this generalization does not apply to every single Mono Vs Multichannel discussion but in the majority of cases it will hold true.

I'm glad I decided to do a bit of further reading to confirm that my statements, as posted, are absolutely 100% correct and because someone else (or multiple someone elses) disagreed with what you responded with you have decided to make them out to be an uninformed, naive idiot.

All you've managed to prove is that you're a blockheaded imbecile who wants to be right regardless of the presence of fact to dispute what you're attempting to off as the truth.

Thank you, drive through.

Have a nice day.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

Great post mister prowler, hit the nail on the head //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Show me hard proof, two amplifiers from the same manufacture and the same era, that a Class A/B is as efficient or more so than a Class D, and I shall give you a cookie //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fro.gif.c695f1f814b01c4ad99fe7f8cccadd29.gif
Amp A from manufacture DOT has an A/B design, more efficient then Amp B Class D design from manufacture ZEON. That proves absolutely nothing. Different manufacturing processes, different components used, different designs all together. Apples to Oranges my friend...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

in that case, refering back strictly to the original question at hand... can you show me two amplifiers from the same manufacturer and era, both the same type internals, one a mono block one a multi channel amp, and prove to me that by simply adding a channel you increase efficiency?

ive already stated that yes, you can make generalities of that nature, but it still is a generality and is not pertinent information to the question asked IMO. and prowler, if you can find a case like i have posted above, then and only then can you say that i refuse to admit my fault in the presence of a fact. because so far, you have been speaking in generalities and not fact //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[n2audio 5,000+ posts]

Hoss - I'm just curious what a/b amp was the "most efficient amp you ever owned", what its efficiency was, and how that was determined.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

and prowler, if you can find a case like i have posted above, then and only then can you say that i refuse to admit my fault in the presence of a fact. because so far, you have been speaking in generalities and not fact //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Umm...that's half true.

I have been speaking in generalities that are fact.

It is a fact that the majority (not all) of multichannel amps are Class A/B units.

It is a fact that the majority (again, not all) of monoblock amps are Class D.

It is a fact that in the majority of cases (again - I am not claiming all though this one I am not 100% certain about) a Class D amplifier is going to be significantly more efficient than a comparable Class A/B amp.

The OP asked about mono amps Vs. a 2-channel amp.

Going by the above posted guidelines it is an accurate assumption that the comparison can be made into a Class A/B Vs. Class D debate.

As such the 2nd post in the thread from Nelson was also 100% on target in saying that a mono amp (going by the assumption that almost any mono the OP might consider buying is a Class D amp) is going to be considerbly more efficient than a 2-channel amp (again - going by the assumption that almost any 2-channel the OP might consider buying is a Class A/B unit).

I am speaking in generalities as the above is not the case for each and every possible scenario but most inarguably IS the case for MOST possible scenarios.

 

Generalities and facts are not mutually exclusive. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Hoss - I'm just curious what a/b amp was the "most efficient amp you ever owned", what its efficiency was, and how that was determined.

my tru H1. tested efficiency with dmm and clamp.

 

[Nelson9937955 10+ year member]

Ok, Mr Stick Around And Learn - let's look at your "superior" knowledge for just a moment....

Nelson stated the following ~

To which you replied~

I would have to say that you're the misinformed one here.

Perhaps not everyone but the majority of people involved with aftermarket car audio as a hobby DOES know that because (please read the following very carefully) in most cases (not all, mind you) a multichannel amp is going to be a Class A/B design. In most cases (again, not all) a monoblock amp is going to be a Class D topology.

Consequently in most cases the monoblock is going to be superior to the multichannel in regards to efficiency.

One more time, and let me be perfectly clear about this, I am aware that this generalization does not apply to every single Mono Vs Multichannel discussion but in the majority of cases it will hold true.

I'm glad I decided to do a bit of further reading to confirm that my statements, as posted, are absolutely 100% correct and because someone else (or multiple someone elses) disagreed with what you responded with you have decided to make them out to be an uninformed, naive idiot.

All you've managed to prove is that you're a blockheaded imbecile who wants to be right regardless of the presence of fact to dispute what you're attempting to off as the truth.

Thank you, drive through.

Have a nice day.

They should make a smiley icon that has one smiley byatch slapping another smiley

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

They should make a smiley icon that has one smiley byatch slapping another smiley

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[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Umm...that's half true.I have been speaking in generalities that are fact.

It is a fact that the majority (not all) of multichannel amps are Class A/B units.

It is a fact that the majority (again, not all) of monoblock amps are Class D.

It is a fact that in the majority of cases (again - I am not claiming all though this one I am not 100% certain about) a Class D amplifier is going to be significantly more efficient than a comparable Class A/B amp.

The OP asked about mono amps Vs. a 2-channel amp.

Going by the above posted guidelines it is an accurate assumption that the comparison can be made into a Class A/B Vs. Class D debate.

As such the 2nd post in the thread from Nelson was also 100% on target in saying that a mono amp (going by the assumption that almost any mono the OP might consider buying is a Class D amp) is going to be considerbly more efficient than a 2-channel amp (again - going by the assumption that almost any 2-channel the OP might consider buying is a Class A/B unit).

I am speaking in generalities as the above is not the case for each and every possible scenario but most inarguably IS the case for MOST possible scenarios.

 

Generalities and facts are not mutually exclusive. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

i can agree with this, but in the face of an argument or debate, it is not safe to assume anything, and likewise is not safe to speak as if generalities are fact. which is exactly the case of why i struck up the debate.

the sole base of my argument was the following - efficiency does not increase simply by adding or removing channels. and likewise, it is not always a safe/fair assesment to say that amp A is more efficient because it is a mono. had the response been stated as "most mono blocks are class D while most multi channel amps are class A/B. and class D amps tend to be more efficient, therefore you might get a bit better efficiency out of a mono block amp", i would have agreed to that. but the simple statement "mono block amps are more efficient", i still claim is blatantly wrong.

does that clear up my side of the argument any? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Nelson9937955 10+ year member]

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LOL.

OK, Ok, they need a smiley where one smiley is taking another smiley, has them bent over and is reaming them from behind while holding up the devil horns sign and sticking is tongue out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif