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[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Every thread audioholic....every thread you do the exact same thing.
You say that you are not "comparing" or "bashing" the type-r, but from the previous thread I can obviously tell you have a less-than-stellar opinion about them. You don't outright say it, but subconsciously you do. Just by the nature of your responses to these threads.

Many drop-in tests have proven that the type-r has outperformed the SX. I love RE just as much as you, but when i find a sub that costs half the price AND performs better, what am I supposed to do?

I think the guy just needs to pick up a type-r 15" and drop it in his box now. Hell, they don't cost that much off ebay, and if the guy knows any kind of people into stereos he could probably sell the type-r off to somebody in his area. I really think it's worth a shot.

If you aren't bashing the type-r, why don't you EVER recommend people to just try it out and see if it works? I've never seen you do that either.

Not you too now TommyK. Now Im bashing the Type R subconciously? lol Okay. This is ridiculous, this fight is my fault? When I did not compare the SX and the R in this thread, nor did I say ONE BAD THING about the R, but yeah... this is my fauilt, just like every other thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Again, my original point was you cannot just assume the speaker brand is making or breaking this guy's setup. And its funny, if it was an RE model sub that point (my point) was referring to, none of this crap would have been *****ed about. But it involved the mighty Type R, that I must show 'proper respect' to anytime I refer to it, so the turmoil continues. And yeah... all my fault.

And Im not going to get bashed for never recommending a sub I have not tried. Why am I considered biased against the Type R if you dont see me recommending them? Even in this post I was not recommending against them, i was recommending against the idea the sub brand/model will make all the difference. But, I have in fact recommended people try the new Type R on other forums based on what Ive heard about them here. But yeah, I have some subconcious thing against these speakers. C'mon guys, this is getting silly.

 

[Spkrman]

Not you too now TommyK. Now Im bashing the Type R subconciously? lol Okay. This is ridiculous, this fight is my fault? When I did not compare the SX and the R in this thread, nor did I say ONE BAD THING about the R, but yeah... this is my fauilt, just like every other thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
Again, my original point was you cannot just assume the speaker brand is making or breaking this guy's setup. And its funny, if it was an RE model sub that point (my point) was referring to, none of this crap would have been *****ed about. But it involved the mighty Type R, that I must show 'proper respect' to anytime I refer to it, so the turmoil continues. And yeah... all my fault.

Its not a BRAND, its one particular woofer... brand means 0 to me. Performance is all that matters.

And Im not going to get bashed for never recommending a sub I have not tried. Why am I considered biased against the Type R if you dont see me recommending them? Even in this post I was not recommending against them, i was recommending against the idea the sub brand/model will make all the difference. But, I have in fact recommended people try the new Type R on other forums based on what Ive heard about them here. But yeah, I have some subconcious thing against these speakers. C'mon guys, this is getting silly.

And Im sorry, but Type R's do not have magic dust. Just switching to them will not solve everyone's problems. SX's are known for their output, and a 15" SX is no slouch, I would not assume just slamming a couple Type R's in there will make him happy. Unless, you want to just go along with the latest forum boner that Type R's are the best thing since sliced bread, then... meh.

You are inferring the SX will be a better pick than the type R, you are inferring its a better woofer - although not directly recommending it.

Quit playing the victim, you say one thing, I pop on here and call you on it, and you twist your own words to make it mean something else.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Its not a BRAND, its one particular woofer... brand means 0 to me. Performance is all that matters.





You are inferring the SX will be a better pick than the type R, you are inferring its a better woofer - although not directly recommending it.

Quit playing the victim, you say one thing, I pop on here and call you on it, and you twist your own words to make it mean something else.

Jesus, you wont quit. Playing the victim? Oh that's rich, coming from you. You say I said one thing... like recommending the SX over the R? Right. I never said that, did I? Im not 'twisting my words' when I say I never said to chose an SX over an R, I NEVER SAID IT. The one trying to twist my words here is YOU. Nice try. Its not my fault you are reading things that are not there. And Im not inferring a **** thing about your precious sub. How many times have I said that in this thread now spkrman? How many times must I say it before you feel your sub is 'vindicated'. Get over it. Your sub's honor has not been smudged here. Go find someone else to defend it against.
As for the brand thing, word games. I should have said one specific MODEL to satisfy you at this point, I guess? Frankly what brand means to YOU is irrelevant to me. Was my original comment on brand loyalty directed towards you? No, it was not. So again, get off my balls. Im not showing proper respect.... lol Im still laughing over that one. Whatever. Try showing some other brands/models/other people's opinions some proper respect, then come back and talk to me about it. Again its funny YOU can make comments like RE drivers are not the right speaker in the 'majority of applications' (if that's not an off-handed slam I dont know what is) yet if I make a comment like the R is the new forum boner (and even stipulate later that I meant it in terms of being the buzz around here, not a slam of performance), that's still not good enough for you or your precious sub's honor. Your mad Im not showing the proper respect? This is all just too silly for me. Continue this path of arguementative speculation of my motives (contrary to what I say they are), and I wont bother responding anymore.

Have a nice day.

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Jesus, you wont quit. Playing the victim? Oh that's rich, coming from you. You say I said one thing... like recommending the SX over the R? Right. I never said that, did I? Im not 'twisting my words' when I say I never said to chose an SX over an R, I NEVER SAID IT. The one trying to twist my words here is YOU. Nice try. Its not my fault you are reading things that are not there. And Im not inferring a **** thing about your precious sub. How many times have I said that in this thread now spkrman? How many times must I say it before you feel your sub is 'vindicated'. Get over it. Your sub's honor has not been smudged here. Go find someone else to defend it against.
As for the brand thing, word games. I should have said one specific MODEL to satisfy you at this point, I guess? Frankly what brand means to YOU is irrelevant to me. Was my original comment on brand loyalty directed towards you? No, it was not. So again, get off my balls. Im not showing proper respect.... lol Im still laughing over that one. Whatever. Try showing some other brands/models/other people's opinions some proper respect, then come back and talk to me about it. Again its funny YOU can make comments like RE drivers are not the right speaker in the 'majority of applications' (if that's not an off-handed slam I dont know what is) yet if I make a comment like the R is the new forum boner (and even stipulate later that I meant it in terms of being the buzz around here, not a slam of performance), that's still not good enough for you or your precious sub's honor. Your mad Im not showing the proper respect? This is all just too silly for me. Continue this path of arguementative speculation of my motives (contrary to what I say they are), and I wont bother responding anymore.

Have a nice day.

You can go ahead and exit any time you want....

We are trying to lend a hand to the thread starter because he asked for opinions, we gave opinions and get them thrown back in our face by someone who doesn't have any experience with said subs.

Like i've said NUMEROUS times, me, mark, tobias, and others have all had massive amounts of experience with numerous subs and we are making a recommendation based on all of the tests we have done. All you are doing is making people think twice about our OPINIONS.

Just leave already. I'd (and others) would appreciate it if you never posted in another type-r thread again. All you do is instigate battles such as this one.

 

[SBLAZER]

audioholic, may i ask wha u are runnin???? juss curious.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

We are trying to lend a hand to the thread starter because he asked for opinions, we gave opinions and get them thrown back in our face by someone who doesn't have any experience with said subs.

Who said I dont have experience with said subs? That's an asusmption on your part, and an incorrect one. Ive been around many SX installs. I do not however have any expereince with the -new- Type R. But then again, you do not see me recommending EITHER sub in this thread, do you?

As for throwing ideas back in one's face, I suggest you go back and re-read what started this, sblazer throwing my idea of speaker placement/location back in my face (for poor use of space...?) and responded to simply toss some Type R's in there to solve all his worries. But if I suggest a brand/model change isn't necessarily the best change, IM the instigator of this fight? And Im the one throwing ideas back at other people? Right.

Im am not the instigator here. I posted MY reply, which had ZERO to do with which driver was chosen, merely stating my experience with that vehicle, and it was my opinion that was walked on. Am I some sort of victim here? No, that would imply Ive been injured some how. Im not playing any sort of victim, but I will stand up for myself when Im wrongfully accused of biased replies, or no expereince, or that I recommended one sub over another when I in fact did not. I tried to post an informative post, and sblazer basically replied with my information was bunk, and just slap some Type R's in there and everyhting will be fine. IN any other case on this board, 10 other people would have said the same thing as me, there's more to a good install and bass response than the brand of subwoofer. And that thought, my thought, is met with replies that the type does in fact have 'magic dust'... and yet IM the instigator here? Uhm... okay?

I'll be glad to leave this thread if and when I chose, if I see no further reconcilliation between myself and the others here, and no furthering of the discussion. I will not leave because a few people get offended at my wording and try to bully me away. I chose to make this reply in hopes you will finally come to understand this isn't about me bashing the Type R (please show me where Ive bashed it, in any way, in this thread), but about me defending my right to post my freaking opinion here. I will not have other people tell ME what MY insinuated meanings are, period. I will keep on replying to any and every "type r thread" on this board that I feel I have information to add (again notice, my initial reply did not even address any brand... the type R crap was brought to me, not the other way around). If I dont feel I have anything to add, I will not respond. You make it sound like I look for type r threads to start trouble in, yet there are plenty of type r threads on this board every day (even at this moment on page one) that I have not nor will I reply in, because I have nothing to add. Also please note, while on that thought, that this did not start out as a Type R thread. But it turned into one when sblazer and spkrman came in and started spouting that Im disrespecting their sub, that it indeed have magic dust, blah blah blah. Its amazing that Ive not said one derogatory comment about the Type R in this thread, repeated that Im NOT slamming it in any way, multiple times, yet sblazer and spkrman can make such claims as the sub is somehow 'magic' unless I prove otherwise and that Im just not showing their sub enough respect for their liking... and somehow IM the bad guy here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif Anyway, your opinion of the situation is duely noted, thanks.

SBLAZER, the system Im currently doing in my blazer (among several other vehicle projects, not enough time in the day ugh heh) will use 2 xxx 15's.

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Didn't feel like quoting a novel.

The only reason this turned into a type-r thread is NOT because we suggested a type-r, rather you started spouting off how the type-r maybe wouldn't work in his install, when you have ZERO knowledge of the sub or his install except for what he told us.

Once again, you are not making the situation any better by talking about how the type-r isn't some magical woofer. I know that it isn't, I was merely asking the thread starter to try it out and see what happens. You on the other hand want nothing of the sorts, whether you said it directly or not.

Face it, you are an RE fanboy and HATE it when we post our findings of RE stuff losing to mainstream companies that most car audio forums have been accustomed to hating. I still love my seXXX, but i've come to the realization that testing is better than bandwagoning. Maybe you should try the same.

I'll put up 2 12" type-r's against your 2 15" XXX's //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

The only reason this turned into a type-r thread is NOT because we suggested a type-r, rather you started spouting off how the type-r maybe wouldn't work in his install, when you have ZERO knowledge of the sub or his install except for what he told us.

Spouting off the type r maybe wouldn't work in his install? This is what I said exactly: "I would not assume just slamming a couple Type R's in there will make him happy". I did NOT say installing them wouldn't make him happy, nor did I even imply it. I said I wouldn't ASSUME it would make him happy. I would have made this same comment had it been made about type R's, or dd9500's, or W7's, or yes even an RE driver. I rarely recommend any specifi subwoofer, but when I do, yes I do recommend brands other than RE. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif I even *gasp* recommend other subs over RE's when I see fit. For the record, Im not a huge SX fan, given its price as compared to some other subs in its class. Show me a post where I glorify RE subs over all other brands, merely du to being RE. I defy you to, because such a response from me does not exist. Face it, Im not the 'fanboi' you want to categorize me as. And Im not the Type R hater you want to categorize me as.

Once again, you are not making the situation any better by talking about how the type-r isn't some magical woofer. I know that it isn't, I was merely asking the thread starter to try it out and see what happens. You on the other hand want nothing of the sorts, whether you said it directly or not.

Assume away. I say, once again, that is incorrect. What I want 'nothing of the sorts' with is ASSUMING just switching from an SX to the Type R will yield the results he wants. You know what, switching to the Type R may be exactly the best move. I DO NOT KNOW (satisfied?). But assuming it will is not the best way to find out, is it? The original poster asked about an 18"SX, but god forbid I suggest we not just assume switching to the R is the only reasonable choice.

Its funny you make me out as an RE fanboi and an R hater, yet Ive not downed the R here ONCE, nor have I bragged up the SX beyond saying its 'no slouch' (wow big praise from a fanboi //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif ). You insist MY motives are based on brand loyalty, when its not I who started "spouting" brands, or making claims any brand has 'magic dust' (you didnt, but others here have), and its not I who is stating one speaker is the end-all fix for this guy. Talk about twisting words around.

Face it, you are an RE fanboy and HATE it when we post our findings of RE stuff losing to mainstream companies that most car audio forums have been accustomed to hating. I still love my seXXX, but i've come to the realization that testing is better than bandwagoning. Maybe you should try the same.

Show me where Im 'bandwagoning' RE's subwoofers. If you are going to accuse me of such a thing, I suggest backing it up with something. Face it, I can say things like "you love the Type R and its giving you the performance you want, dude Im super happy for you, and anyone else that gets this satisfaction out of them" and "Im NOT slamming it in any way" until Im blue in the face, but because of your PRECONCEIVED notion of my comments, their meanings and my 'insinuations', none of it matters to you. The simple fact that Im here, in this now "type R thread", not stating "wow these guys say thats the best option so it must be!" is the real reason Im being labeled an RE fanboi and R hater.

I'll put up 2 12" type-r's against your 2 15" XXX's //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

You want to duel me car audio style? lol Yeah, Im the one starting trouble here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif No thanks, Im really not concerned about 'going up against' other people's systems or subs. Were you being serious (lol) or is that merely some lame attempt to make me angry? Either way.... *yawn*

Have a good one. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

I'm gonna have to agree with audioholic on this one... he just gave his opinion as you all did about the Type-Rs... get off his balls. All he was trying to say was that the driver MIGHT not be his main problem, and that changing something else in his install would be better before switching.

You guys are nuts...

 

[digital mint 10+ year member]

How many times i've heard systems that were loud (including mine sometime) but honestly sounded like crap. You're asking me about " overall goodness" Yes that's what i was taking about. Some people couldn't be happier with their Ford Pinto lol!

but hey it's a pinto!. It's pretty obvious you like the type R we all know that. whatever happend to giving a straight answer? the original poster never got back to this thread and quite frankly, i don't blame him. CAN WE PLEASE STOP COMPARING ANY SUBS TO THE TYPE R'S!!! Some of us have experience with more than one brand of subs. Maybe you should opened "an all out Alpine Type R subs thread" and maybe ask the mods to let you moderate it? Than this forum can go back to normal.

 

[Spkrman]

You want to duel me car audio style? lol Yeah, Im the one starting trouble here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif No thanks, Im really not concerned about 'going up against' other people's systems or subs. Were you being serious (lol) or is that merely some lame attempt to make me angry? Either way.... *yawn*

Have a good one. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

i'll put my current setup with 2 12's against a pair of xxx 15's... all day.

 

[digital mint 10+ year member]

i'll put my current setup with 2 12's against a pair of xxx 15's... all day.

Can you tell me how your subs look like on the pillow next to you at night? Menage a trois maybe:nono: . Be careful not to choke on the TYPE R WIRES. How's the weather down in ALPINE TYPE R COUNTRY? What are you guys up to this weekend?:

 

[Spkrman]

Can you tell me how your subs look like on the pillow next to you at night? Menage a trois maybe:nono: . Be careful not to choke on the TYPE R WIRES. How's the weather down in ALPINE TYPE R COUNTRY? What are you guys up to this weekend?:

No, seriously, I'll put my pair of XXX 15's against audioholics pair of XXX 15's... or nearly any install utilizing a pair of XXX 15's.

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

No, seriously, I'll put my pair of XXX 15's against audioholics pair of XXX 15's... or nearly any install utilizing a pair of XXX 15's.

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[digital mint 10+ year member]

No, seriously, I'll put my pair of XXX 15's against audioholics pair of XXX 15's... or nearly any install utilizing a pair of XXX 15's.

And then what? Cookie?