You actually made the claim also that the A is nothing but a AudioMobile Mass with a diffferent cone as well. Shoot that into the FEA program, the Audiomobile evo-r as well, and the morel SWR-12 driver. But since I'm not inputting the information it's next to impossible for me to understand what they are getting out of it. Both of these were out long before either one of the drivers your mentioning.
The fact is eric. The guys using FEA programs don't rely heavily on for a lot of reasons. You'll even notice the person who probably supplied that probably uses another meduim to actually 'spec' speakers. Klippel, dumax, etc etc.
That's a fairly common practice.
Now if you take the magic numbers aside and you consider a different surround (different compliance), different coil (different weight, windings, type), and a different suspension (different compliance, different spiders) we know you get a different speaker. I mean right there you've got plain as day differences that don't equal the same thing. Using very different parts you've come up with similar numbers.
Please teach me how to do this //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I can greatly improve my K series drivers if I can figure out how to extract these numbers out of totally different parts without the ability to interact with each other the same way. This is kind of like if we just simply made the switch from 8.5" spiders to 8" spiders I know it's going to reflect a change. According to this though, it isn't. I know if I change my surround from my santoprene to the one used on the d2 it's going to cuase a change, but according to this it won't. I know if i change to a different cone it's going to have a different weight changing something, but according to this it won't. But If I can figure out how to get numbers like this from 2 obviously different speakers, I could do some darn cool things and extract some killer performance out of speakers that cost a whole lot less money for everyone.
You take the simple fact that......... People who have heard both drivers think they sound different........ And you have the simple fact that they don't sound the same or work exactly the same. So alas, the idea might be they aren't the same.
If they were the same speaker people wouldn't say things like i couldn't get a A loud. It'd get loud becuase it was the same. People wouldn't say things like I couldn't get that low end from a d2 in a small sealed box, becuase well, it'd have it becuase it's the same right?
I think it's pretty absurd actually all of this. if you consider simply the above paragraph. It's pretty cut and dry people are obviouly getting different results so the numbers here someone else came up with in their FEA program away from public view are pretty shaky to say the least.
That post I was qouted doesn't have much relevance to this exactly but I'm sure someone will nitpick at it a little.
You can believe it or not. If you sit and listen to them and they don't have exactly the same results which people obviously are not. You'll realize your argue'ing something you yourself and others have simply disproved over and over, becuase they like one more than the other.
I'm going to go enjoy my saturday. Actually trying to stay out of the office for once this weekend //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Do the same. Enjoy the speaker in your car. Have a beer, meet a pretty girl. Who knows, have a good weekend all.
You say you want to give credit where it's due. It's already where it's due. Who thinks that the d2 and the A are even related? Except for a parts vendor? You want a A series you go to eD. You want a D2 you go to stereo integrity. It's not like either one of the companies is probably making sales comparing their speaker to the other. I know we certainly aren't. I can't imagine anyone else is becuase most people probably buying the d2 are buying it becuase they DO NOT want the A. Seems like everyones ducks are in a row and people are getting what they pay for nonetheless.
I guess my one question though eric is how in gods name do you overinflate a spec a machine measured? You put it up there, you clamp it in, and you take what it reads. There just isn't much room for inflating something that is a dead measurement. You want a dumax report, but at the same time your calling it's measurements overinflated. If they are inflated why would you care to see it? And even furthermore, if you think one sounds better than the other, wouldn't this kind of state they aren't the same if they sound different at all? Buy the one you think sounds better, enjoy it. I hope it works great for you and I'm glad you find something you enjoy using.
So far you've claimed we basically took someone elses idea with a flat cone on it. Said the A was the same as a d2 and a audiomobile mass. Used a FEA report to try and prove this and stated that you think they sound different at the same time. It's like 4th of July and no one knows where to go. So your using someone elses program to get these FEA measurements, and resorting to pretty harsh words to prove something it doesn't seem you yourself believe. You said you believe one sounds better 'imo' so it can't be the same.
FYI, 12A is 270 shipped if you call it in right now. has been for the better part of the month in lue of the ME review and celebrating it. So it's not really that horribly expensive at all.
Ben
