KnuKonceptz claimed ampacity

i just have to add the op is a facking tard for argueing that the length of the wire has nothing to do with loss of amperage.
I'd like him to actually test his theory. He said wheher it's 2 feet or 20000 feet, it'll handle the same amount of current. I'd like to see him pass his 265 DC amps through 20000 feet of 1/0.

 
Well according to you, AC and DC do not differ when it comes to ampacity? So why does it matter if it's for supplying a welder?
Why mention how long automotive runs are?

Regardless, they rate their 1/0 at 350 amps at 50 feet. Are you telling me that a shorter run couldn't handle as much current? Afterall, the car runs are shorter.

You know what happens when you "assume"

This coming from the guy that thinks 120 db will permanently damage your hearing. 120 db is a mouse fart.
There's duty cycle. Welders aren't designed for 100% duty as a rule. 1/0 at 350 amps? It better not be for too long. I'm guessing 50% at most. The footage comes into play because most welders are constant current devices. They will deliver set amperage no matter how long their leads are. They don't care about voltage drop. Run your "bumpin" POS sub and I'm sure you'll exceed that. 120dB will absolutely hurt you. Google is your friend.

 
There is no difference in a wire's ampacity whether it's 2' or 200' long.

I must not have read the original post too thoroughly...but wtf?..Do you seriously think this? This is very basic and I know kids going into middle school that could tell me a longer wire of the same gauge wouldn't be able to handle as much current for the same amount of time.

They are selling snake oil to uninformed people.
...it's copper wire for christ sake //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

120dB will absolutely hurt you. Google is your friend.
:facepalm:

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Also, what do you consider to be a legit test? I know that these wild "peak hold" numbers don't mean anything. But testing output 5 seconds into a burp while documenting imp rise and voltage drop seems to be a pretty accurate way to get numbers.
Mainly you need a non-reactive load. Its not possible to measure impedance using an ohm meter. Impedance is made up of resistance and reactance. An ohm meter will not be able to measure reactance, it has to be derived. Also the THD levels would be important.

Start with this:

http://www.bcae1.com/measpwr.htm

Then check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_impedance

 
This is my point of view, I am not taking sides, nor using McIntosh/others info/views. This is my own thought process.
It's not that they're trash, it's all given by the amount of current flowing through the wire. It has to deal with the specific heat of the material, and the resistance of it.

Let's go with his specific situations that he pointed out: 300A@20' and 800A@5'

First we find the overall resistance of the wire:

0.09827ohms/kfeet

This divided by 1000 gives ohms per foot. (Or just add 3 0s after the decimal point.)

.00009827ohms/foot

This multiplied by 20 gives us the resistance of the wire.

0.0019654ohms

Now, plug this into ohms law to determine how many watts this wire dissipates, just the same as viewing it as a resistor. (I^2)*R=P

(300*300)0.0019654=176.886W

At the same time, lets plug this in to calculate the voltage drop across the resistor. I*R=E

300*0.0019654=0.58962V | This drops about .6V, it is not really relevant to the rest of what I'm saying, but it does drop ~.6V

Now that we know how many watts it dissipates, we still cannot calculate how much it will heat the wire. We have to find the mass of the wire.

We have to find the volume of the wire by multiplying it's area by it's height, given by (r^2)piH. H is determined by converting feet into cm, resulting in 609.6cm. r is .535cm

.535(609.6)=326.136cm^3

The density of copper is 8.96g/cm^3.

326.136*8.96=2,922.17856g | Now, we finally have how much mass of copper is in the wire. I'm assuming there's a minimal amount of air, but if there is more, it will heat up faster, since there is less copper mass, and will not evenly heat up the air since the thermal transfer is by convection instead of conduction. :p

The specific heat of copper is 0.385 J/g•C or K.

One watt dissipated is 1J for 1 second. We finally are able to determine how much it will heat the wire.

Q=mC(deltaT) | Delta T stands for change in temperature, which is (Tf-Ti). We are trying to find Tf.

Q=176.886J

m=2922.17856g

C=.385

Ti=25

With the variables stated, we can now start plugging things in and solve.

176.886=2922.17856*.385(Tf-25)

Multiply 2922.17856 by .385

176.886=1125.03875(Tf-25)

Divide 176.88600 by 1125.03875

0.157226584=Tf-25

Add 25 to 0.157226584

Tf= 25.157226584 degrees C

IF TL;DR:

In other words, 0.157226584 degrees C/second, or 0.2830079 degrees F/second. Five seconds, and it's slightly more than a degree hotter. :\ I don't know if I would run it for too long. Let's run this for five minutes, assuming that none of the energy is lost/absorbed by the environment.

0.2830079(60*5)=84.90237 degrees F. I am not about to go into the math for dissipation of this heat into the surrounding air/insulation. After consideration, I would say the wire has a temperature rise of about 50-60 degrees F after five minutes.

On second though, there is too much math involved, and it is a hell of a lot easier to do on paper, so I'm not going to do the 800A@5' unless someone asks.

Please ignore small grammatical errors, or me leaving s or other letters off words.
WAY too much work.

 
I would recommend people to go back to page 4 and read post #60. :\ Then comment on that.
Good work. Must have pulled out a textbook for that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Nah, I just do this on almost a daily basis. It's on paper though. Just remember Q=mcat, while the a is really (delta). :p I just found the rest of the values. As for the stuff that was not specific heat stuff, it's all memory. Comes with the whole engineer thing.

 
I'd like him to actually test his theory. He said wheher it's 2 feet or 20000 feet, it'll handle the same amount of current. I'd like to see him pass his 265 DC amps through 20000 feet of 1/0.
You've stated your obviously limited knowledge. Turn on a light and see how it really works. The internet should educate people. I've not the time to find a link for you.

 
...says the guy wanting to go into detail and nit-picking with knu
btw, good work Makeshift
Thanks. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Non offensively: The information is there, interpret it as you want. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
I'd like him to actually test his theory. He said wheher it's 2 feet or 20000 feet, it'll handle the same amount of current. I'd like to see him pass his 265 DC amps through 20000 feet of 1/0.
Considering you'll have a voltage drop of 531v, I don't think you'll make it.

 
You've stated your obviously limited knowledge. Turn on a light and see how it really works. The internet should educate people. I've not the time to find a link for you.
What is your point? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

 
Considering you'll have a voltage drop of 531v, I don't think you'll make it.
And this is precisely why we have step up/down transformers. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif 531V aint got crap against 14.4kV or 7.2kV...

Though, if you're pulling 265A@14.4kV, that's 3.816MW lawl.

 
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